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he was also caught on hot mic today telling Bukele "home-growns are next... you're going to need to build about five more places" https://bsky.app/profile/cor

he was also caught on hot mic today telling Bukele "home-growns are next... you're going to need to build about five more places" https://bsky.app/profile/coreyryung.bsky.social/post/3lmrygfmlec2y https://bsky.app/profile/coreyryung.bsky.social/post/3lmrygf...

marcusverus 1y ago
"home grown criminals", around the 7 minute mark. https://x.com/nayibbukele/status/1911803520845545960?s=46 https://x.com/nayibbukele/status/1911803520845545960?s=46
- Terr_ 1y ago
  > criminals At the risk of stating the obvious: This qualifier is void. Trump thinks anything people say that he doesn't like is criminal or can be made-to-be. FFS the man has said a 60 Minutes' interview with President Zelenskyy (which painted Trump in an unflattering light) is a crime that validates destroying an entire television network.
  - marcusverus 1y ago
    > At the risk of stating the obvious: This qualifier is void. So it's okay to deceptively edit it out? Seems shady.
    - Terr_ 1y ago
      "Herr Hitler clearly said that he would only be sending criminals to the next round of concentration camps, editing that out seems shady." The most-charitable explanation is that you are clueless about current events, and don't understand that the government is already committing crimes against innocent people and lying about it. Otherwise: > Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. -- Jean-Paul Sartre, 1946
      - marcusverus 1y ago
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        Terr_ 1y ago
        > vague, hand-wavy allegation There's nothing "vague" about the past couple of weeks of news, court-cases, admissions, and flat-out bragging by the administration. Stop feigning ignorance. > staking out a pro-deception stance The real pro-deception stance is yours: Demanding that known falsehoods and propaganda be repeated verbatim.
        marcusverus 1y ago
        > There's nothing "vague" about the past couple of weeks of news, court-cases, admissions, and flat-out bragging by the administration. Stop feigning ignorance. Pretending not to know what "vague" means isn't an argument. > The real pro-deception stance is yours: Demanding that known falsehoods and propaganda be repeated verbatim. Expecting honest quotations is pro-deception. Got it. Good chat, Beelzebub.
        affinepplan 1y ago
        except it was an honest quotation. what I wrote was said by Trump in the video.
        marcusverus 1y ago
        If you share a quote out of context, knowing that it will be taken to mean something other than what it obviously meant in context, you are being deceptive. Children are taught this in middle school.
        affinepplan 1y ago
        it is not out of context. you are being deceptive that somehow surrounding context of the statement justifies such a horrible proposition from POTUS.
- nine_zeros 1y ago
  "Criminals" is a meaningless word in Trump's America.
  - marcusverus 1y ago
    You'll have an easier time holding the moral high ground if you can avoid engaging in/blocking for deceptive messaging.
    - affinepplan 1y ago
      it was not deceptive. the words I wrote were said by Trump verbatim. please watch the video. I didn't remove the word "criminal" from the middle of the sentence.
- affinepplan 1y ago
  I quoted directly from the video. the quote I wrote was said verbatim

marcusverus 1y ago

"home grown criminals", around the 7 minute mark. https://x.com/nayibbukele/status/1911803520845545960?s=46 https://x.com/nayibbukele/status/1911803520845545960?s=46

Terr_ 1y ago
> criminals At the risk of stating the obvious: This qualifier is void. Trump thinks anything people say that he doesn't like is criminal or can be made-to-be. FFS the man has said a 60 Minutes' interview with President Zelenskyy (which painted Trump in an unflattering light) is a crime that validates destroying an entire television network.
- marcusverus 1y ago
  > At the risk of stating the obvious: This qualifier is void. So it's okay to deceptively edit it out? Seems shady.
  - Terr_ 1y ago
    "Herr Hitler clearly said that he would only be sending criminals to the next round of concentration camps, editing that out seems shady." The most-charitable explanation is that you are clueless about current events, and don't understand that the government is already committing crimes against innocent people and lying about it. Otherwise: > Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. -- Jean-Paul Sartre, 1946
    - marcusverus 1y ago
      [flagged]
      - Terr_ 1y ago
        > vague, hand-wavy allegation There's nothing "vague" about the past couple of weeks of news, court-cases, admissions, and flat-out bragging by the administration. Stop feigning ignorance. > staking out a pro-deception stance The real pro-deception stance is yours: Demanding that known falsehoods and propaganda be repeated verbatim.
        marcusverus 1y ago
        > There's nothing "vague" about the past couple of weeks of news, court-cases, admissions, and flat-out bragging by the administration. Stop feigning ignorance. Pretending not to know what "vague" means isn't an argument. > The real pro-deception stance is yours: Demanding that known falsehoods and propaganda be repeated verbatim. Expecting honest quotations is pro-deception. Got it. Good chat, Beelzebub.
        affinepplan 1y ago
        except it was an honest quotation. what I wrote was said by Trump in the video.
        marcusverus 1y ago
        If you share a quote out of context, knowing that it will be taken to mean something other than what it obviously meant in context, you are being deceptive. Children are taught this in middle school.
        affinepplan 1y ago
        it is not out of context. you are being deceptive that somehow surrounding context of the statement justifies such a horrible proposition from POTUS.
nine_zeros 1y ago
"Criminals" is a meaningless word in Trump's America.
- marcusverus 1y ago
  You'll have an easier time holding the moral high ground if you can avoid engaging in/blocking for deceptive messaging.
  - affinepplan 1y ago
    it was not deceptive. the words I wrote were said by Trump verbatim. please watch the video. I didn't remove the word "criminal" from the middle of the sentence.
affinepplan 1y ago
I quoted directly from the video. the quote I wrote was said verbatim