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Did they get an all-you-can-deport deal on that 6 million paid to Bukele? Why are they so obsessed with using that prison? Did I get trapped in a dystopian stor

by zzrrt 2y ago

Did they get an all-you-can-deport deal on that 6 million paid to Bukele? Why are they so obsessed with using that prison? Did I get trapped in a dystopian story or an Onion article, or is this real life? Some talking points that the right would say if they weren't the ones doing this: "foreign countries are better at prison than we are now", we need to "bring back prison jobs for Americans", and "why is taxpayer money going to foreign countries?" I didn't think I would be rooting for American prison industry, but now they're more humane than the alternative. See also: Bukele refusing to return a prisoner the US Supreme Court says should not have been deported. https://www.npr.org/2025/04/14/nx-s1-5364502/trump-bukele-el-salvador-deportation https://www.npr.org/2025/04/14/nx-s1-5364502/trump-bukele-el...

Terr_ 2y ago
> Why are they so obsessed with using that prison? Implausible legal deniability.
matthewdgreen 2y ago
"Bukele refusing" is total nonsense. Trump could demand that man be returned, and he'd be in the US tomorrow. This entire performance is a charade being scripted by the White House. ETA: it is also a hard kick in the teeth of the Supreme Court, which seems to have been offering him an off-ramp. I wonder where this goes next.
- recursivecaveat 2y ago
  Indeed, Bukele can refuse in the same way my boss cannot literally gun-to-my-head compel me to file TPS reports. If Trump actually meant it and started bouncing cheques for the other prisoners, he would move quickly. Instead they coordinate this ratchet effect where they take combined action and then pretend to be completely ineffectual when it is found to be illegal and ordered to be undone.
  - matthewdgreen 2y ago
    The biggest problem here is that about a week ago, the Court reduced the legal protections afforded to potential deportees. They can still petition the Courts for due process, but it will have to be in local courts in Texas and Lousiana, and under a new interpretation of habeas that even Justice Amy Coney Barrett took issue with. So to recap: weakened protection of law preventing you from being deported, once deported you can never come home. Excellent work by the Supreme Court. https://www.abajournal.com/web/article/judge-labeled-radical-left-lunatic-by-trump-shouldnt-be-hearing-deportation-case-supreme-court-says https://www.abajournal.com/web/article/judge-labeled-radical...
- zzrrt 2y ago
  > I wonder where this goes next. Well, JD Vance has been calling for Trump to defy the courts since at least 2021 and thinks the courts already started a constitutional crisis by checking the executive.[1] Maybe he missed some days in law school, or high school. Hope he can get a crash course on checks and balances soon. [1] https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/02/11/jd-vance-trump-executive-power-supreme-court-00203537 https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/02/11/jd-vance-t...
DistractionRect 2y ago
It's a lot of things. Their reputation, their legal jurisdiction (outside the US), that it's available now, etc. The administration is using it as a trial run for bigger things. They're already talking about building more, negotiating with other countries, etc. Right now it's just seeing how the courts will react and if/what consequences there will be, and what loopholes they can use. It's why they're actively fighting against getting back the get "accidently" deported from Maryland. They're hoping they can set a precedent that once outside the country, they're no longer accountable/responsible for human rights/due process afforded by the constitution. It sets up a blueprint to disappear any US citizen (read political opponents/dissidents) with impunity. Edit: in regards to El Salvador saying it's preposterous to give him back. His comment and the US administration act as if they're being asked to smuggle him past the Coast Guard in the dead of night, give him a gun, and free him in the woods. It's ridiculous. Give him back in the same way he was delivered, in cuffs, on a plane, and handed over to the local authorities.
- zzrrt 2y ago
  Yep, Bukele's response was sickeningly effective. Basically boiling down to Trump and Bukele both saying they can do nothing due to the sovereignty of the other, knowing full well they could convince each other if they actually wanted to. Throw in a misdirection with an absurd implication nobody was making (smuggling a terrorist).
belter 1y ago
"What to do if you're a U.S. citizen and immigration authorities tell you to leave the country" - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/us-citizens-email-notice-to-deport-rcna201862 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/us-citizens-email-notic...

by zzrrt 2y ago

Terr_ 2y ago

> Why are they so obsessed with using that prison? Implausible legal deniability.

matthewdgreen 2y ago

"Bukele refusing" is total nonsense. Trump could demand that man be returned, and he'd be in the US tomorrow. This entire performance is a charade being scripted by the White House. ETA: it is also a hard kick in the teeth of the Supreme Court, which seems to have been offering him an off-ramp. I wonder where this goes next.

recursivecaveat 2y ago
Indeed, Bukele can refuse in the same way my boss cannot literally gun-to-my-head compel me to file TPS reports. If Trump actually meant it and started bouncing cheques for the other prisoners, he would move quickly. Instead they coordinate this ratchet effect where they take combined action and then pretend to be completely ineffectual when it is found to be illegal and ordered to be undone.
- matthewdgreen 2y ago
  The biggest problem here is that about a week ago, the Court reduced the legal protections afforded to potential deportees. They can still petition the Courts for due process, but it will have to be in local courts in Texas and Lousiana, and under a new interpretation of habeas that even Justice Amy Coney Barrett took issue with. So to recap: weakened protection of law preventing you from being deported, once deported you can never come home. Excellent work by the Supreme Court. https://www.abajournal.com/web/article/judge-labeled-radical-left-lunatic-by-trump-shouldnt-be-hearing-deportation-case-supreme-court-says https://www.abajournal.com/web/article/judge-labeled-radical...
zzrrt 2y ago
> I wonder where this goes next. Well, JD Vance has been calling for Trump to defy the courts since at least 2021 and thinks the courts already started a constitutional crisis by checking the executive.[1] Maybe he missed some days in law school, or high school. Hope he can get a crash course on checks and balances soon. [1] https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/02/11/jd-vance-trump-executive-power-supreme-court-00203537 https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/02/11/jd-vance-t...

DistractionRect 2y ago

It's a lot of things. Their reputation, their legal jurisdiction (outside the US), that it's available now, etc. The administration is using it as a trial run for bigger things. They're already talking about building more, negotiating with other countries, etc. Right now it's just seeing how the courts will react and if/what consequences there will be, and what loopholes they can use. It's why they're actively fighting against getting back the get "accidently" deported from Maryland. They're hoping they can set a precedent that once outside the country, they're no longer accountable/responsible for human rights/due process afforded by the constitution. It sets up a blueprint to disappear any US citizen (read political opponents/dissidents) with impunity. Edit: in regards to El Salvador saying it's preposterous to give him back. His comment and the US administration act as if they're being asked to smuggle him past the Coast Guard in the dead of night, give him a gun, and free him in the woods. It's ridiculous. Give him back in the same way he was delivered, in cuffs, on a plane, and handed over to the local authorities.

zzrrt 2y ago
Yep, Bukele's response was sickeningly effective. Basically boiling down to Trump and Bukele both saying they can do nothing due to the sovereignty of the other, knowing full well they could convince each other if they actually wanted to. Throw in a misdirection with an absurd implication nobody was making (smuggling a terrorist).

belter 1y ago

"What to do if you're a U.S. citizen and immigration authorities tell you to leave the country" - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/us-citizens-email-notice-to-deport-rcna201862 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/us-citizens-email-notic...