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Honest question, what recourse does someone in this situation even have? Would the ICC take this case? Are there any penalties that would (in theory) apply to e

Honest question, what recourse does someone in this situation even have? Would the ICC take this case? Are there any penalties that would (in theory) apply to either country?

femiagbabiaka 2y ago
> Honest question, what recourse does someone in this situation even have? None. > Would the ICC take this case? Maybe, not that it would matter much given that even member states refuse to enforce rulings if they run contra to U.S. goals. > Are there any penalties that would (in theory) apply to either country? No.
dfxm12 2y ago
You might be interested in the Hauge Invasion Act to get the US perspective on what would happen if the ICC tries to persecute a US official: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Pr...
- stouset 2y ago
  Prosecute, not persecute :)
KerrAvon 2y ago
The US is not subject to the ICC; not sure about El Salvador.
hypeatei 2y ago
The US doesn't participate in international law / the ICC. Not that it would matter anyway, both are sovereign countries that can just go "nuh uhh"
- femiagbabiaka 2y ago
  I mean, hypothetically, Bukele could be arrested if he was a defendant in such a suit... except for the fact that ICC member states regularly let wanted war criminals pass through their airspace, or withdraw from the ICC entirely in order to harbor wanted war criminals. In effect the ICC is the USCC, and therefore limited to doing/enforcing things in the interest of the U.S. at any given time.
- jauntywundrkind 2y ago
  El Salvador does participate though.
bananapub 2y ago
the US passed a law in 2002 promising to invade The Netherlands if the ICC ever tried to actually do anything about US crimes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Pr...
- yencabulator 2y ago
  And, for the record, Netherlands is a member of the EU Common Security and Defence Policy, which would mean that would be an act of war against the EU as a whole. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Security_and_Defence_Policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Security_and_Defence_Po...
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Honest question, what recourse does someone in this situation even have? Would the ICC take this case? Are there any penalties that would (in theory) apply to either country?

femiagbabiaka 2y ago

> Honest question, what recourse does someone in this situation even have? None. > Would the ICC take this case? Maybe, not that it would matter much given that even member states refuse to enforce rulings if they run contra to U.S. goals. > Are there any penalties that would (in theory) apply to either country? No.

dfxm12 2y ago

You might be interested in the Hauge Invasion Act to get the US perspective on what would happen if the ICC tries to persecute a US official: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Pr...

stouset 2y ago
Prosecute, not persecute :)

KerrAvon 2y ago

The US is not subject to the ICC; not sure about El Salvador.

hypeatei 2y ago

The US doesn't participate in international law / the ICC. Not that it would matter anyway, both are sovereign countries that can just go "nuh uhh"

femiagbabiaka 2y ago
I mean, hypothetically, Bukele could be arrested if he was a defendant in such a suit... except for the fact that ICC member states regularly let wanted war criminals pass through their airspace, or withdraw from the ICC entirely in order to harbor wanted war criminals. In effect the ICC is the USCC, and therefore limited to doing/enforcing things in the interest of the U.S. at any given time.
jauntywundrkind 2y ago
El Salvador does participate though.

bananapub 2y ago

the US passed a law in 2002 promising to invade The Netherlands if the ICC ever tried to actually do anything about US crimes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Pr...

yencabulator 2y ago
And, for the record, Netherlands is a member of the EU Common Security and Defence Policy, which would mean that would be an act of war against the EU as a whole. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Security_and_Defence_Policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Security_and_Defence_Po...

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