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because EU and US are less and less "allies"
by throwaway290 2y ago
because EU and US are less and less "allies"
- FirmwareBurner 2y agoCan you explain why? Last time I checked we're still in NATO and my country stil hosts a US nuclear deterrent(against Russia). What part of that has changed? Temporary internal economic disputes (these happen all the time, especially between EU members) have little to do with military alliances against external threats.
- throwaway290 2y agoNo one expects NATO to exist for much longer. if your country is Denmark then your fellow NATO member recently threatened to invade you. The organization became a farce within a couple of months.
- esafak 2y agoTrump sees it as a cost and says Europeans are not paying their fair share. He has been talking about it for ten years: https://www.factcheck.org/2016/05/whats-trumps-position-on-nato/ https://www.factcheck.org/2016/05/whats-trumps-position-on-n... I daresay his judgment is informed by his consideration of Russia as closer to an ally than a foe.
- FirmwareBurner 2y ago>Trump sees it as a cost. Which is true since defense money doesn't rain from the sky. Taxpayers on both sides of the atlantic are footing the bill. >He always says Europeans are not paying their fair share. Which is true when you look at per member spending percentages. Mostly Poland and a couple of other members have been meeting their agreed spending targets, but the rest have been slacking. >He has been talking about it for ten years: From your article: "While Trump has gone so far as saying that, as president, he would consider pulling the U.S. out of NATO if it is not restructured, we’ve found no instance of him saying he wants to do so at this point. And the Clinton campaign hasn’t been able to point to an example of Trump saying that either. In fact, it was during the interview with the Post, which initially brought attention to Trump’s feelings about NATO, that Trump said that he doesn’t want the U.S. to leave the alliance."
- throwaway290 2y agoIt's not about the finances and being late on payment. The finances part is solved easily by politely saying "pay your part please or we gotta evict you". It's about members of supposed "alliance" threatening to roll tanks on each other. > While Trump has gone so far as saying that, as president, he would consider pulling the U.S. out of NATO if it is not restructured, we’ve found no instance of him saying he wants to do so at this point US won't because US needs NATO more than other countries. US is the only country to ever invoke article whatshernumber.
- watwut 2y agoI would argue that this is not the core reason and just an excuse. If it was about paying "fair share" there would be no annexation threats, no economic attacks, none of the rest. And it would not required Trump lying about Ukraine war either.
- rat87 2y agoRussia is a foe because it chooses to be a foe. It won't be an ally for any foreseeable future. Trump doesn't care about cost. And investing in your own military is not the same as paying America. The Baltic countries and Poland have spent a higher then recommended percentage of their gdp on the military and have done more to keep a positive relationship with America but Trump doesn't seem to care
- exe34 2y agoTrump is already parroting the Russian disinformation/talking points on Ukraine. What makes you think he would use those nukes against Mother Russia?
- watwut 2y agoBecause USA is threatening annexation of NATO members and is allying itself with Russia. So, that is what changed.