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Presumably being healthy is a value / hope everyone has in common with their doctor.

by duxup 2y ago

latexr 2y ago
Considering the number of doctors who refuse to assist women with miscarriages or any kind of abortion even when the women’s life is in danger, I wouldn’t trust that presumption. Doctors routinely refuse care for religious beliefs or recommend needless procedures and medications¹ for profit, you can’t trust they care for your health just because of their profession. ¹ Sometimes they’re even worse than needless and are actively harmful, such as the overprescription of antibiotics.
- duxup 2y ago
  >Doctors routinely refuse care for religious beliefs or recommend needless procedures and medications¹ for profit I've never experienced the first part and the latter seems far less likely if you're doing a regular checkup / going in for a vaccine. Either way the benefits of vaccines are obvious, proven, and I suspect the decision to not do it is something other than day of "I don't like my doctor".
  - latexr 2y ago
    > I've never experienced the first part Yet I’m sure you understand “it has never happened to me” isn’t synonymous with “it never happens”. https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/issues/birth-control/religious-refusal-and-reproductive-health https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/issues/birth-control... > and the latter seems far less likely if you're doing a regular checkup / going in for a vaccine. Which most people don’t. Regardless, I’ve had doctors I know personally describe to me how certain colleagues are bad physicians who nevertheless make a ton of money for the hospital/clinic because they order a ton of unnecessary procedures. Yes, even when going for routine checks. > Either way the benefits of vaccines are obvious Which is true, but also has nothing to do with the conversation. No one in this thread has mentioned vaccines before you did just now. The article doesn’t mention it either. I’m not an anti vaxxer, nor have I assumed you were.
    - rachofsunshine 2y ago
      > Yet I’m sure you understand “it has never happened to me” isn’t synonymous with “it never happens”. No, but it's a relevant data point that allows you to counterbalance possible sampling bias. If everyone tells you people are poisoning halloween candy all the time, but no one within your direct experience encounters it, you should investigate possible sampling bias. Perhaps you are in a privileged context that avoids poison halloween candy, so the sampling bias is in your local environment. Or perhaps such stories easily go viral, so the sampling bias is in people's tendency to share sensational stories. Either way, you have something to watch for. Relying on multiple weakly-correlated information channels is a good way to hedge yourself against dysfunction in any one of those channels.
    - maxerickson 2y ago
      How do we convince the doctors describing their colleagues to you to act in an ethical manner? I'm thinking the ones they describe are a lost cause and should be removed from the profession.
      - latexr 2y ago
        I agree they should be removed from the profession. What I’ve been told is that it isn’t easy to do. As in, they would have to do something egregious, someone would have to lodge a complaint, and it would have to be proven they were negligent. Hard to do when you’re “just” ordering unnecessary and expensive procedures or prescribing the wrong medication which while ineffective might not be outright dangerous.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  > Considering the number of doctors who refuse to assist women with miscarriages or any kind of abortion even when the women’s life is in danger, I wouldn’t trust that presumption. To note, recently, doctors are refusing this care due to their concern over legal liability in states with harmful policy prioritizing flawed belief systems over healthcare. https://www.propublica.org/series/life-of-the-mother https://www.propublica.org/series/life-of-the-mother > When the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in 2022, doctors warned that women would die, but lawmakers who passed state abortion bans didn’t listen. The worst consequences are now becoming clear. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42111924 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42111924 (citations from a comment I wrote previously in a dead thread, linked for brevity vs wall of text)
  - potato3732842 2y ago
    >recently, doctors are refusing this care due to their concern over legal liability in states with harmful policy Really bugs me that the people who championed the apparatus that enables the existence and implementation of such policy never consider their role. It's like ascribing your 9th inning loss to a mediocre batter who got lucky when your own pitcher was dumb enough to send one straight down the middle.

Presumably being healthy is a value / hope everyone has in common with their doctor.

by duxup 2y ago

Presumably being healthy is a value / hope everyone has in common with their doctor.

Considering the number of doctors who refuse to assist women with miscarriages or any kind of abortion even when the women’s life is in danger, I wouldn’t trust that presumption. Doctors routinely refuse care for religious beliefs or recommend needless procedures and medications¹ for profit, you can’t trust they care for your health just because of their profession. ¹ Sometimes they’re even worse than needless and are actively harmful, such as the overprescription of antibiotics.

duxup 2y ago
>Doctors routinely refuse care for religious beliefs or recommend needless procedures and medications¹ for profit I've never experienced the first part and the latter seems far less likely if you're doing a regular checkup / going in for a vaccine. Either way the benefits of vaccines are obvious, proven, and I suspect the decision to not do it is something other than day of "I don't like my doctor".
- latexr 2y ago
  > I've never experienced the first part Yet I’m sure you understand “it has never happened to me” isn’t synonymous with “it never happens”. https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/issues/birth-control/religious-refusal-and-reproductive-health https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/issues/birth-control... > and the latter seems far less likely if you're doing a regular checkup / going in for a vaccine. Which most people don’t. Regardless, I’ve had doctors I know personally describe to me how certain colleagues are bad physicians who nevertheless make a ton of money for the hospital/clinic because they order a ton of unnecessary procedures. Yes, even when going for routine checks. > Either way the benefits of vaccines are obvious Which is true, but also has nothing to do with the conversation. No one in this thread has mentioned vaccines before you did just now. The article doesn’t mention it either. I’m not an anti vaxxer, nor have I assumed you were.
  - rachofsunshine 2y ago
    > Yet I’m sure you understand “it has never happened to me” isn’t synonymous with “it never happens”. No, but it's a relevant data point that allows you to counterbalance possible sampling bias. If everyone tells you people are poisoning halloween candy all the time, but no one within your direct experience encounters it, you should investigate possible sampling bias. Perhaps you are in a privileged context that avoids poison halloween candy, so the sampling bias is in your local environment. Or perhaps such stories easily go viral, so the sampling bias is in people's tendency to share sensational stories. Either way, you have something to watch for. Relying on multiple weakly-correlated information channels is a good way to hedge yourself against dysfunction in any one of those channels.
  - maxerickson 2y ago
    How do we convince the doctors describing their colleagues to you to act in an ethical manner? I'm thinking the ones they describe are a lost cause and should be removed from the profession.
    - latexr 2y ago
      I agree they should be removed from the profession. What I’ve been told is that it isn’t easy to do. As in, they would have to do something egregious, someone would have to lodge a complaint, and it would have to be proven they were negligent. Hard to do when you’re “just” ordering unnecessary and expensive procedures or prescribing the wrong medication which while ineffective might not be outright dangerous.
toomuchtodo 2y ago
> Considering the number of doctors who refuse to assist women with miscarriages or any kind of abortion even when the women’s life is in danger, I wouldn’t trust that presumption. To note, recently, doctors are refusing this care due to their concern over legal liability in states with harmful policy prioritizing flawed belief systems over healthcare. https://www.propublica.org/series/life-of-the-mother https://www.propublica.org/series/life-of-the-mother > When the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in 2022, doctors warned that women would die, but lawmakers who passed state abortion bans didn’t listen. The worst consequences are now becoming clear. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42111924 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42111924 (citations from a comment I wrote previously in a dead thread, linked for brevity vs wall of text)
- potato3732842 2y ago
  >recently, doctors are refusing this care due to their concern over legal liability in states with harmful policy Really bugs me that the people who championed the apparatus that enables the existence and implementation of such policy never consider their role. It's like ascribing your 9th inning loss to a mediocre batter who got lucky when your own pitcher was dumb enough to send one straight down the middle.