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No, I do not want the government to get involved other than through regulations on warranty replacements etc. One of the big appeals of riding bicycles is the n

No, I do not want the government to get involved other than through regulations on warranty replacements etc. One of the big appeals of riding bicycles is the near total lack of government involvement which makes it a more true form of freedom than any type of motorised transport can offer. This is why I never had and most likely never will get a car as those do allow the government near total control as well as regular bloodletting. No, keep them out of it.

graemep 1y ago
No one ever wants the government to regulate what they do, yet a lot of things are regulated. It is interesting how hostile cyclists are to any suggestion of regulation, even for safety.
- potato3732842 1y ago
  If I were dictator only people who made online comments supporting government inspections for any other type of vehicle would have to get their own vehicle inspected. The fact that people can not put their money where their mouth is and face no consequences for failing to do so is one of the great tragedies of modern society.
  - graemep 1y ago
    My own vehicle is already annually inspected as required by the law. Its being done this week. I am broadly in favour of this requirement, although it is a cost and a nuisance, maintenance is a necessity, and I am happy that all the vehicles that might be a danger to me and to other people are also inspected. I am pretty sure that virtually all cyclists are happy that cars are annually inspected (and have to pass to remain road legal BTW) so you are saying they should put their money where their mouth is?
- scott_w 1y ago
  > It is interesting how hostile cyclists are to any suggestion of regulation, even for safety. Wait until you hear about this group of people called “drivers.”
  - graemep 1y ago
    Really? Where I live drivers have to be in vehicles that are inspected annually for safety and roadworthiness if they are more than three years old, the vehicle owners have to be pay a tax, the vehicles have to bear a unique identity number, you need a license to operate them, you need to pass a test to get the license, you can lose the license, be fined, or imprisoned if you operate them in a dangerous manner or break rule, you can be fined, imprisoned or lose the license if you operate a vehicle under the influence of drugs or alcohol, or otherwise unfit, you have a legal duty to notify the authorities if you have certain medical conditions (so they can decide whether you retain the license in the circumstances),..... Pretty much all drivers agree that most or all of these requirements are reasonable (although they might disagree about details). That does not sound like being hostile to regulation.
    - scott_w 1y ago
      > Pretty much all drivers agree that most or all of these requirements are reasonable Twitter used to be a great source of taxi drivers bitching about getting caught on their phone, driving dangerously, driving drunk, no insurance, expired MOT, driving while disqualified, speeding. I can continue but you can just watch Cycling Mikey for more examples. Oh, then look up the articles written on how much drivers hate him for checks notes reporting drivers for breaking the law. But no, it’s cyclists who hate having their behaviour policed.

graemep 1y ago

No one ever wants the government to regulate what they do, yet a lot of things are regulated. It is interesting how hostile cyclists are to any suggestion of regulation, even for safety.

potato3732842 1y ago
If I were dictator only people who made online comments supporting government inspections for any other type of vehicle would have to get their own vehicle inspected. The fact that people can not put their money where their mouth is and face no consequences for failing to do so is one of the great tragedies of modern society.
- graemep 1y ago
  My own vehicle is already annually inspected as required by the law. Its being done this week. I am broadly in favour of this requirement, although it is a cost and a nuisance, maintenance is a necessity, and I am happy that all the vehicles that might be a danger to me and to other people are also inspected. I am pretty sure that virtually all cyclists are happy that cars are annually inspected (and have to pass to remain road legal BTW) so you are saying they should put their money where their mouth is?
scott_w 1y ago
> It is interesting how hostile cyclists are to any suggestion of regulation, even for safety. Wait until you hear about this group of people called “drivers.”
- graemep 1y ago
  Really? Where I live drivers have to be in vehicles that are inspected annually for safety and roadworthiness if they are more than three years old, the vehicle owners have to be pay a tax, the vehicles have to bear a unique identity number, you need a license to operate them, you need to pass a test to get the license, you can lose the license, be fined, or imprisoned if you operate them in a dangerous manner or break rule, you can be fined, imprisoned or lose the license if you operate a vehicle under the influence of drugs or alcohol, or otherwise unfit, you have a legal duty to notify the authorities if you have certain medical conditions (so they can decide whether you retain the license in the circumstances),..... Pretty much all drivers agree that most or all of these requirements are reasonable (although they might disagree about details). That does not sound like being hostile to regulation.
  - scott_w 1y ago
    > Pretty much all drivers agree that most or all of these requirements are reasonable Twitter used to be a great source of taxi drivers bitching about getting caught on their phone, driving dangerously, driving drunk, no insurance, expired MOT, driving while disqualified, speeding. I can continue but you can just watch Cycling Mikey for more examples. Oh, then look up the articles written on how much drivers hate him for checks notes reporting drivers for breaking the law. But no, it’s cyclists who hate having their behaviour policed.