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Choosing Castration: A Thematic Analysis of the Perceived Pros and Cons of Genital Injuries and Ablation by Men Who Voluntarily Sought Castration https://pmc.n

by kgwgk 2y ago

Choosing Castration: A Thematic Analysis of the Perceived Pros and Cons of Genital Injuries and Ablation by Men Who Voluntarily Sought Castration https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10102058/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10102058/ This is kind of funny: “Furthermore, for some, the frequency of playing with male action figures that lack genitals (e.g., Ken doll, GI Joe) during childhood may have contributed to their castration desire (Wong et al., 2021).”

thaumasiotes 2y ago
> “Furthermore, for some, the frequency of playing with male action figures that lack genitals (e.g., Ken doll, GI Joe) during childhood may have contributed to their castration desire (Wong et al., 2021).” I'm assuming Wong 2021 has nothing to say about this other than the assertion. A basic prerequisite for this would be that ordinary people's genitals are visible through their pants.
- re 2y ago
  > I'm assuming Wong 2021 has nothing to say about this other than the assertion https://doi.org/10.1007/s10508-020-01808-6 https://doi.org/10.1007/s10508-020-01808-6 > We designed a survey to compare the psychological, sexual, and childhood experiences for subgroups of men with extreme interest in castration. The survey was posted on the Eunuch Archive, an online platform for individuals interested in the topic. Data from 822 individuals were included in the analyses.
- TimorousBestie 2y ago
  I’m not curious enough to pay Springer’s exorbitant individual license fee, but I can see that Wong 2021 does cite other studies on the body image effects of action figures and dolls on preadolescent boys.
- AStonesThrow 2y ago
  Have you never attended a Hair Metal concert in the 1980s, or at least seen “Spïnal Täp”? IIRC, Ken Dolls had tan lines or “permanent” briefs, but could remove pants from many action figures and dolls (and put on skirts and dresses on the males, interchangeably)
- wasabi991011 2y ago
  If you don't want to assume, here is the section from Wong 2021: >While we did not find any group difference in the experience of playing with toys without genitals in childhood, the frequency of playing with such toys is associated with erotic attraction to castration for the Interested and Wannabe groups. These findings suggest that childhood play with male toy figurines lacking genitalia might potentially contribute to BIID, which for some individuals may fulminate as extreme castration ideations and ultimately genital ablation. Such an impact from toy play resembles other study findings (Fernandez & Pritchard, 2012; Galioto & Crowther, 2013) that exposure to slender and muscular models may lower body satisfaction and motivate body modification for males, in parallel with the Barbie doll syndrome for girls (Dittmar et al., 2006). Yet it should also be noted that there was a higher proportion (59% vs. 45%) of individuals in the Castrated group, who never played with male figurines, than in the Wannabe group. These results indicate that play with male genital-less toys may be significant for some, but not all, in contributing to extreme castration ideations.
  - thaumasiotes 2y ago
    Ah, the old "there's no result overall, but if you examine the sub-subgroups, you can see one! No, ten!"

by kgwgk 2y ago

thaumasiotes 2y ago

> “Furthermore, for some, the frequency of playing with male action figures that lack genitals (e.g., Ken doll, GI Joe) during childhood may have contributed to their castration desire (Wong et al., 2021).” I'm assuming Wong 2021 has nothing to say about this other than the assertion. A basic prerequisite for this would be that ordinary people's genitals are visible through their pants.

re 2y ago
> I'm assuming Wong 2021 has nothing to say about this other than the assertion https://doi.org/10.1007/s10508-020-01808-6 https://doi.org/10.1007/s10508-020-01808-6 > We designed a survey to compare the psychological, sexual, and childhood experiences for subgroups of men with extreme interest in castration. The survey was posted on the Eunuch Archive, an online platform for individuals interested in the topic. Data from 822 individuals were included in the analyses.
TimorousBestie 2y ago
I’m not curious enough to pay Springer’s exorbitant individual license fee, but I can see that Wong 2021 does cite other studies on the body image effects of action figures and dolls on preadolescent boys.
AStonesThrow 2y ago
Have you never attended a Hair Metal concert in the 1980s, or at least seen “Spïnal Täp”? IIRC, Ken Dolls had tan lines or “permanent” briefs, but could remove pants from many action figures and dolls (and put on skirts and dresses on the males, interchangeably)
wasabi991011 2y ago
If you don't want to assume, here is the section from Wong 2021: >While we did not find any group difference in the experience of playing with toys without genitals in childhood, the frequency of playing with such toys is associated with erotic attraction to castration for the Interested and Wannabe groups. These findings suggest that childhood play with male toy figurines lacking genitalia might potentially contribute to BIID, which for some individuals may fulminate as extreme castration ideations and ultimately genital ablation. Such an impact from toy play resembles other study findings (Fernandez & Pritchard, 2012; Galioto & Crowther, 2013) that exposure to slender and muscular models may lower body satisfaction and motivate body modification for males, in parallel with the Barbie doll syndrome for girls (Dittmar et al., 2006). Yet it should also be noted that there was a higher proportion (59% vs. 45%) of individuals in the Castrated group, who never played with male figurines, than in the Wannabe group. These results indicate that play with male genital-less toys may be significant for some, but not all, in contributing to extreme castration ideations.
- thaumasiotes 2y ago
  Ah, the old "there's no result overall, but if you examine the sub-subgroups, you can see one! No, ten!"