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The best oranges [0] I've had were half green. Fresh from the tree, but still plenty ripe. It's my understanding that oranges for transport to colder countrie

The best oranges [0] I've had were half green. Fresh from the tree, but still plenty ripe. It's my understanding that oranges for transport to colder countries are picked unripe and ripened in the holds of cargo ships. This ripening process is great at making the skin more orange, and OK at improving the flavour, but nowhere near as good for that as ripening on the tree. So if I saw green patches on my supermarket oranges, far from the tropics, I'd be conditioned to expect them to be really good. They wouldn't be, of course. [0] Satsumas? Clementines? I don't want to get into a debate about what taxonomically is an orange, but these were citrus fruit that turn orange in colour when ripe.

Aloisius 2y ago
How green an orange is when ripe has to do with the climate they are grown in. In warm climates with little variation in temperature between day or night, oranges will remain green on the tree even when ripe. If nights get cold enough (~55 F), they will turn orange. That said, in the US, oranges destined for markets de-greened for aesthetic purposes since customers won't generally buy them otherwise.
- lightedman 2y ago
  "How green an orange is when ripe has to do with the climate they are grown in." Not true for all cultivars. For example, the emerald orange rind always looks like a lime.
  - Aloisius 2y ago
    I'm not familiar with that one and can't seem to find it online. Do you have a link? Limes will actually turn yellow when ripe. We just pick them early.
    - lightedman 2y ago
      https://i.imgur.com/gX7RCKs.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/gX7RCKs.jpeg Sometimes they'll go orange in the rind but most times they stay green like a lime.
      - Aloisius 2y ago
        Those look like calamondins (Calamansi limes). Just like with oranges, their skin will remain green or mostly green unless grown where it gets cold enough, then their skin will turn yellow then orange then reddish orange. Where I live, calamondins trees have entirely orange fruit when ripe.
        lightedman 2y ago
        They look like them but taste much closer to a mandarin!
Clamchop 2y ago
Oranges and other citrus are examples of non-climacteric fruits, meaning they do not continue to ripen after being picked. So, they have to be picked at the desired level of ripeness.
RataNova 2y ago
The best-tasting oranges looked nothing like the perfectly polished, all-orange supermarket ones. Some of them were downright ugly by grocery store standards
ltbarcly3 2y ago
Some oranges, especially the ones you find in Asia or at Asian fruit stands, can be completely ripe and still completely green. The ones sold in US stores are almost all sour and unripe if they are green (almost always but not always). Different regions in the world 'know about' different citrus fruit (there seem to be a lot of overlap and a lot of non-overlap with fruit), so your mileage may vary. Reddit claims this is because of the temperatures: https://www.reddit.com/r/VietNam/comments/16ca895/why_are_the_oranges_green_in_vietnam/ https://www.reddit.com/r/VietNam/comments/16ca895/why_are_th... It's fun to go to fruit stands when traveling and try the fruits you don't recognize! Lots of fruits are very different if you travel to countries where they can grow them natively, and there are a lot of tropical fruits that aren't exported. Lots of the English words for fruits are re-used so you can be eating something totally unrecognized and it's a "tree cherry" or something. For example, what they call a lime in a lot of countries (for example Calamansi) would be called a tiny orange in North America (we don't have that fruit here). What we call a lime they wouldn't recognize, but if they saw/tasted it they might think it's a green lemon or something.
- Aloisius 2y ago
  > For example, what they call a lime in a lot of countries (for example Calamansi) would be called a tiny orange in North America (we don't have that fruit here). Calamansi limes are grown in California and usually called Calamondin limes. They're typically anywhere from orange to yellow/green when grown here. > What we call a lime they wouldn't recognize, but if they saw/tasted it they might think it's a green lemon or something. What country doesn't have what we call a lime? The Key lime, like the Calamansi is is native to the Philippines and available everywhere the Calamansi is. Persian limes are exported nearly everywhere. Lots of languages don't differentiate between lemons and limes though.
  - ltbarcly3 2y ago
    A Key Lime is only vaguely a lime (they call it a Dayap and I don't think they would consider it a lime at all), that's why we call them 'Key Lime' instead of just lime. I'm putting a fine point on it, but I think when we say 'Lime' we mean something like a Persian Lime. You don't make Persian Lime pie! As far as I know in the Philippines they don't have a common word to describe a Persian lime, and I never saw one in a store there.

Aloisius 2y ago

How green an orange is when ripe has to do with the climate they are grown in. In warm climates with little variation in temperature between day or night, oranges will remain green on the tree even when ripe. If nights get cold enough (~55 F), they will turn orange. That said, in the US, oranges destined for markets de-greened for aesthetic purposes since customers won't generally buy them otherwise.

lightedman 2y ago
"How green an orange is when ripe has to do with the climate they are grown in." Not true for all cultivars. For example, the emerald orange rind always looks like a lime.
- Aloisius 2y ago
  I'm not familiar with that one and can't seem to find it online. Do you have a link? Limes will actually turn yellow when ripe. We just pick them early.
  - lightedman 2y ago
    https://i.imgur.com/gX7RCKs.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/gX7RCKs.jpeg Sometimes they'll go orange in the rind but most times they stay green like a lime.
    - Aloisius 2y ago
      Those look like calamondins (Calamansi limes). Just like with oranges, their skin will remain green or mostly green unless grown where it gets cold enough, then their skin will turn yellow then orange then reddish orange. Where I live, calamondins trees have entirely orange fruit when ripe.
      - lightedman 2y ago
        They look like them but taste much closer to a mandarin!

Clamchop 2y ago

Oranges and other citrus are examples of non-climacteric fruits, meaning they do not continue to ripen after being picked. So, they have to be picked at the desired level of ripeness.

RataNova 2y ago

The best-tasting oranges looked nothing like the perfectly polished, all-orange supermarket ones. Some of them were downright ugly by grocery store standards

ltbarcly3 2y ago

Some oranges, especially the ones you find in Asia or at Asian fruit stands, can be completely ripe and still completely green. The ones sold in US stores are almost all sour and unripe if they are green (almost always but not always). Different regions in the world 'know about' different citrus fruit (there seem to be a lot of overlap and a lot of non-overlap with fruit), so your mileage may vary. Reddit claims this is because of the temperatures: https://www.reddit.com/r/VietNam/comments/16ca895/why_are_the_oranges_green_in_vietnam/ https://www.reddit.com/r/VietNam/comments/16ca895/why_are_th... It's fun to go to fruit stands when traveling and try the fruits you don't recognize! Lots of fruits are very different if you travel to countries where they can grow them natively, and there are a lot of tropical fruits that aren't exported. Lots of the English words for fruits are re-used so you can be eating something totally unrecognized and it's a "tree cherry" or something. For example, what they call a lime in a lot of countries (for example Calamansi) would be called a tiny orange in North America (we don't have that fruit here). What we call a lime they wouldn't recognize, but if they saw/tasted it they might think it's a green lemon or something.

Aloisius 2y ago
> For example, what they call a lime in a lot of countries (for example Calamansi) would be called a tiny orange in North America (we don't have that fruit here). Calamansi limes are grown in California and usually called Calamondin limes. They're typically anywhere from orange to yellow/green when grown here. > What we call a lime they wouldn't recognize, but if they saw/tasted it they might think it's a green lemon or something. What country doesn't have what we call a lime? The Key lime, like the Calamansi is is native to the Philippines and available everywhere the Calamansi is. Persian limes are exported nearly everywhere. Lots of languages don't differentiate between lemons and limes though.
- ltbarcly3 2y ago
  A Key Lime is only vaguely a lime (they call it a Dayap and I don't think they would consider it a lime at all), that's why we call them 'Key Lime' instead of just lime. I'm putting a fine point on it, but I think when we say 'Lime' we mean something like a Persian Lime. You don't make Persian Lime pie! As far as I know in the Philippines they don't have a common word to describe a Persian lime, and I never saw one in a store there.