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https://janet-lang.org https://janet-lang.org Also by the same author.

by threatofrain 2y ago

sgt 2y ago
Dammit, Janet! Ok, looks good. I'll need to look into it.
- vanderZwan 2y ago
  Whomever downvoted you probably never saw the Rocky Horror Picture Show
  - deleted 2y ago
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2mlWQbCK 2y ago
I prefer Janet, but Fennel is great in places Lua is already supported, like in Löve2D. https://git.sr.ht/~benthor/absolutely-minimal-love2d-fennel https://git.sr.ht/~benthor/absolutely-minimal-love2d-fennel
- roxolotl 2y ago
  One thing I've found that's really nice with Fennel + Love2D is you can even do hot reloading with nvim+conjure[0](I assume emacs too). I assume there's a way to hot refresh with just straight Lua but it feels very natural to do with a lisp. 0(example config): https://github.com/TheBlob42/love2d-fennel-neovim https://github.com/TheBlob42/love2d-fennel-neovim
AlienRobot 2y ago
>by the same author What? People are just creating new languages these days as if they were Javascript libraries? Let's say I wanted to make my own programming language. What's the easiest way to prototype it in a way I can share it with the world? Are the programming language development toolkits that come with a tokenizer library and things like that? Should I write my own program to output machine code? Or maybe it's easier to just transpile to Javascript?
- calebkaiser 2y ago
  The author, Calvin Rose, is a (I assume pretty great) compiler engineer at NVIDIA who has a personal affinity for LISPs and Lua: https://bakpakin.com/ https://bakpakin.com/ I don't think the average programming language enthusiast is maintaining multiple well-known languages.
  - AlienRobot 2y ago
    Interesting. I saw another link here of someone who insists on making C# run everywhere, now someone who insists on LISPs. I really want to try making a language that is imperative, like really imperative, where every line must start with a verb, just to see what it would look like.
    - lelanthran 2y ago
      > I really want to try making a language that is imperative, like really imperative, where every line must start with a verb, just to see what it would look like. It would look like Tcl.
      - AlienRobot 2y ago
        A bit but I don't like "set foo 32" One way I think I can get rid of that is like this 32 = foo; But why do we even need variables? I think the perfect language design would be if you could just do this: pow(x, 2); pow(y, 2); sqrt() = result; And maybe you could do this { pow(x, 2); pow(y, 2); sqrt(); } + 1; pow(2) = result; Instead of result = pow(sqrt(pow(x, 2), pow(y, 2)) + 1, 2); that we have today.
        tonymillion 2y ago
        At that point you’re almost, but not quite into the realm of “forth”
- jodrellblank 2y ago
grzm 2y ago
I believe Fennel was originated by Phil Hagelberg (technomancy) https://git.sr.ht/~technomancy/fennel-lang.org https://git.sr.ht/~technomancy/fennel-lang.org Janet looks like is by Calvin Rose (bakpakin) https://github.com/janet-lang/janet/graphs/contributors https://github.com/janet-lang/janet/graphs/contributors
- lc9er 2y ago
  I’m pretty sure Calvin created Fennel and Phil took up the reins when Calvin moved on from the project.
  - grzm 2y ago
    I stand corrected: % git remote -v origin https://git.sr.ht/~technomancy/fennel (fetch) origin https://git.sr.ht/~technomancy/fennel (push) % git log --reverse commit 9afe4338ed1816a759cb4b120f89e8f67159ce16 Author: Calvin Rose <calsrose@gmail.com> Date: Sun Aug 7 18:50:34 2016 First commit. commit b62a24853e24662f76932a2a81bb77cc25704491 Author: Calvin Rose <calsrose@gmail.com> Date: Sun Aug 7 19:05:40 2016 Add some examples. commit 5e3e0fe11e4f56007b3523e54d81d55280ef2204 Author: Calvin Rose <calsrose@gmail.com> Date: Tue Aug 9 08:27:43 2016 Update README.md
monomers 2y ago
I like Janet a lot, and have been using it for small personal projects for about a year. But it does come with some design decisions that I'm a bit ambivalent about and for which I haven't found a good explanation: - No persistent data structures. I guess this has something to do with limitations of the GC? - unhygienic macros combined with lack of namespaces. XOR those two choices would be fine, but the combination is janky - Somewhat peculiar choices in syntax. It's neither Scheme, nor is it Clojure. # starts comments, ; is splice, @ marks literals as mutable...
- nine_k 2y ago
  Janet is very small, apparently smaller than Lua, and is also intended to be embedded into native-code programs. Hence, I suppose, the decisions that make it "too" simple: it apparently is not intended for writing large amounts of code.

https://janet-lang.org https://janet-lang.org Also by the same author.

sgt 2y ago

Dammit, Janet! Ok, looks good. I'll need to look into it.

vanderZwan 2y ago
Whomever downvoted you probably never saw the Rocky Horror Picture Show
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]

2mlWQbCK 2y ago

I prefer Janet, but Fennel is great in places Lua is already supported, like in Löve2D. https://git.sr.ht/~benthor/absolutely-minimal-love2d-fennel https://git.sr.ht/~benthor/absolutely-minimal-love2d-fennel

roxolotl 2y ago
One thing I've found that's really nice with Fennel + Love2D is you can even do hot reloading with nvim+conjure[0](I assume emacs too). I assume there's a way to hot refresh with just straight Lua but it feels very natural to do with a lisp. 0(example config): https://github.com/TheBlob42/love2d-fennel-neovim https://github.com/TheBlob42/love2d-fennel-neovim

AlienRobot 2y ago

>by the same author What? People are just creating new languages these days as if they were Javascript libraries? Let's say I wanted to make my own programming language. What's the easiest way to prototype it in a way I can share it with the world? Are the programming language development toolkits that come with a tokenizer library and things like that? Should I write my own program to output machine code? Or maybe it's easier to just transpile to Javascript?

calebkaiser 2y ago
The author, Calvin Rose, is a (I assume pretty great) compiler engineer at NVIDIA who has a personal affinity for LISPs and Lua: https://bakpakin.com/ https://bakpakin.com/ I don't think the average programming language enthusiast is maintaining multiple well-known languages.
- AlienRobot 2y ago
  Interesting. I saw another link here of someone who insists on making C# run everywhere, now someone who insists on LISPs. I really want to try making a language that is imperative, like really imperative, where every line must start with a verb, just to see what it would look like.
  - lelanthran 2y ago
    > I really want to try making a language that is imperative, like really imperative, where every line must start with a verb, just to see what it would look like. It would look like Tcl.
    - AlienRobot 2y ago
      A bit but I don't like "set foo 32" One way I think I can get rid of that is like this 32 = foo; But why do we even need variables? I think the perfect language design would be if you could just do this: pow(x, 2); pow(y, 2); sqrt() = result; And maybe you could do this { pow(x, 2); pow(y, 2); sqrt(); } + 1; pow(2) = result; Instead of result = pow(sqrt(pow(x, 2), pow(y, 2)) + 1, 2); that we have today.
      - tonymillion 2y ago
        At that point you’re almost, but not quite into the realm of “forth”
jodrellblank 2y ago

grzm 2y ago

I believe Fennel was originated by Phil Hagelberg (technomancy) https://git.sr.ht/~technomancy/fennel-lang.org https://git.sr.ht/~technomancy/fennel-lang.org Janet looks like is by Calvin Rose (bakpakin) https://github.com/janet-lang/janet/graphs/contributors https://github.com/janet-lang/janet/graphs/contributors

lc9er 2y ago
I’m pretty sure Calvin created Fennel and Phil took up the reins when Calvin moved on from the project.
- grzm 2y ago
  I stand corrected: % git remote -v origin https://git.sr.ht/~technomancy/fennel (fetch) origin https://git.sr.ht/~technomancy/fennel (push) % git log --reverse commit 9afe4338ed1816a759cb4b120f89e8f67159ce16 Author: Calvin Rose <calsrose@gmail.com> Date: Sun Aug 7 18:50:34 2016 First commit. commit b62a24853e24662f76932a2a81bb77cc25704491 Author: Calvin Rose <calsrose@gmail.com> Date: Sun Aug 7 19:05:40 2016 Add some examples. commit 5e3e0fe11e4f56007b3523e54d81d55280ef2204 Author: Calvin Rose <calsrose@gmail.com> Date: Tue Aug 9 08:27:43 2016 Update README.md

monomers 2y ago

I like Janet a lot, and have been using it for small personal projects for about a year. But it does come with some design decisions that I'm a bit ambivalent about and for which I haven't found a good explanation: - No persistent data structures. I guess this has something to do with limitations of the GC? - unhygienic macros combined with lack of namespaces. XOR those two choices would be fine, but the combination is janky - Somewhat peculiar choices in syntax. It's neither Scheme, nor is it Clojure. # starts comments, ; is splice, @ marks literals as mutable...

nine_k 2y ago
Janet is very small, apparently smaller than Lua, and is also intended to be embedded into native-code programs. Hence, I suppose, the decisions that make it "too" simple: it apparently is not intended for writing large amounts of code.