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These the same residential providers that people complain cut them off for torrenting? You think they wouldn't cut off customers who DDoS?

op00to 2y ago
They’re not cutting you off for torrenting because they think it’s the right thing to do. They’re cutting you off for torrenting because it costs them money if rights holders complain.
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- fc417fc802 2y ago
  If it's a cable company then there's also a conflict of interest.
- zinekeller 2y ago
  > They’re cutting you off for torrenting because it costs them money if rights holders complain. Yup, I'm assuming that immibis thinks that the ones using Anubis are those ones with high legal budgets, but this is not necessarily the case here.
zinekeller 2y ago
> These the same residential providers that people complain cut them off for torrenting? Assume that you are in the shoes of Anubis users. Do you have a reasonable legal budget? No? From experience, most ISPs would not really respond unless either their network has become unstable as a consequence, or if legal advised them to cooperate. Realistically, at the time that they read your plea the activity has already died off (on their network), and the best that they can do is to give you the netflows to do your investigation. > You think they wouldn't cut off customers who DDoS? This is not your typical DDoS where the stability of the network links are affected (this is at the ISP level, not specifically your server), this is a very asymmetrical one where it seemingly blends out as normal browsing. Unless you have a reasonable legal budget, they would suggest to use RTBH (https://www.cisco.com/c/dam/en_us/about/security/intelligence/blackhole.pdf https://www.cisco.com/c/dam/en_us/about/security/intelligenc...) or a commercial filtering solution if need be. This even assumes that they're symphatetic to your pleas, at worst case you're dealing with state-backed ISPs that are known not to respond at all.

op00to 2y ago

They’re not cutting you off for torrenting because they think it’s the right thing to do. They’re cutting you off for torrenting because it costs them money if rights holders complain.

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fc417fc802 2y ago
If it's a cable company then there's also a conflict of interest.
zinekeller 2y ago
> They’re cutting you off for torrenting because it costs them money if rights holders complain. Yup, I'm assuming that immibis thinks that the ones using Anubis are those ones with high legal budgets, but this is not necessarily the case here.

zinekeller 2y ago

> These the same residential providers that people complain cut them off for torrenting? Assume that you are in the shoes of Anubis users. Do you have a reasonable legal budget? No? From experience, most ISPs would not really respond unless either their network has become unstable as a consequence, or if legal advised them to cooperate. Realistically, at the time that they read your plea the activity has already died off (on their network), and the best that they can do is to give you the netflows to do your investigation. > You think they wouldn't cut off customers who DDoS? This is not your typical DDoS where the stability of the network links are affected (this is at the ISP level, not specifically your server), this is a very asymmetrical one where it seemingly blends out as normal browsing. Unless you have a reasonable legal budget, they would suggest to use RTBH (https://www.cisco.com/c/dam/en_us/about/security/intelligence/blackhole.pdf https://www.cisco.com/c/dam/en_us/about/security/intelligenc...) or a commercial filtering solution if need be. This even assumes that they're symphatetic to your pleas, at worst case you're dealing with state-backed ISPs that are known not to respond at all.