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The judicial branch is meant only to provide clarify of laws on the books. I'm not sure what they would do with an enforcement agency, and I'd be worried about

The judicial branch is meant only to provide clarify of laws on the books. I'm not sure what they would do with an enforcement agency, and I'd be worried about what that would do with regards to the types of people attracted to those judicial positions. The legislative branch already has a lot of power. I'd be very concerned giving them the direct control, or even shared control, over enforcement. They should be controlling enforcement through legislation. That leaves the executive, and personally I don't see a problem with enforcement living there. That is a very good reason to otherwise limit the authority of the executive branch though, and why executive orders as used today shouldn't be legal (they effectively are a legislative branch with the enforcement agencies).

lukas099 2y ago
> That leaves the executive, and personally I don't see a problem with enforcement living there. What if the executive just decides not to enforce the decisions of the legislative and judicial branches?
- _heimdall 2y ago
  The legislative branch can pass a law requiring enforcement, likely within some specified parameters or timeline. If that passes and is constitutional, the courts could be tested and uphold the law.
  - dmd 2y ago
    Uphold the law ... how? Who actually does it? The courts can write as many orders as they want, but if they're ignored, they're powerless.
    - _heimdall 2y ago
      And that would be the point when congress impeaches the president for dereliction of duty. The system is surprisingly simple, it just requires leaders willing to actually uphold it.
      - dmd 2y ago
        Ok, but (a) they won't, and (b) if they do, who carries out the actual removal of the president from power? ... oh, right, the executive branch, again. Oops.
        _heimdall 2y ago
        If your concerns are only procedural, surely congress could fix that if they cared. If they actually had the vote to impeach they could likely have the voter to either pass new law or amend the constitution to ensure the removal is enforced.
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        lukas099 2y ago
        Or we could fix it now, before the Constitutional crisis, which is what we were talking about from the start.
        _heimdall 2y ago
        Were we? This chain started with the idea of getting rid of the concept of the president and moving to a parliamentary system. Then it shifted a bit into giving the judicial branch its own law enforcement agency. Those both risk creating a constitutional crisis, not avoiding one.
        lukas099 2y ago
        Amending the Constitution to create a judicial law enforcement agency would not, in itself, be a Constitutional crisis. Or if you meant that such an agency could then cause one, yeah that could happen in theory, but so could the Executive causing a crisis because the courts don't have an enforcement arm. And to act like the President causing the crisis isn't the more likely scenario in 2025 would be stupifyingly ignorant.
  - lukas099 2y ago
    > The legislative branch can pass a law requiring enforcement At this point the Executive is already ignoring the law.

lukas099 2y ago

> That leaves the executive, and personally I don't see a problem with enforcement living there. What if the executive just decides not to enforce the decisions of the legislative and judicial branches?

_heimdall 2y ago
The legislative branch can pass a law requiring enforcement, likely within some specified parameters or timeline. If that passes and is constitutional, the courts could be tested and uphold the law.
- dmd 2y ago
  Uphold the law ... how? Who actually does it? The courts can write as many orders as they want, but if they're ignored, they're powerless.
  - _heimdall 2y ago
    And that would be the point when congress impeaches the president for dereliction of duty. The system is surprisingly simple, it just requires leaders willing to actually uphold it.
    - dmd 2y ago
      Ok, but (a) they won't, and (b) if they do, who carries out the actual removal of the president from power? ... oh, right, the executive branch, again. Oops.
      - _heimdall 2y ago
        If your concerns are only procedural, surely congress could fix that if they cared. If they actually had the vote to impeach they could likely have the voter to either pass new law or amend the constitution to ensure the removal is enforced.
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        lukas099 2y ago
        Or we could fix it now, before the Constitutional crisis, which is what we were talking about from the start.
        _heimdall 2y ago
        Were we? This chain started with the idea of getting rid of the concept of the president and moving to a parliamentary system. Then it shifted a bit into giving the judicial branch its own law enforcement agency. Those both risk creating a constitutional crisis, not avoiding one.
        lukas099 2y ago
        Amending the Constitution to create a judicial law enforcement agency would not, in itself, be a Constitutional crisis. Or if you meant that such an agency could then cause one, yeah that could happen in theory, but so could the Executive causing a crisis because the courts don't have an enforcement arm. And to act like the President causing the crisis isn't the more likely scenario in 2025 would be stupifyingly ignorant.
- lukas099 2y ago
  > The legislative branch can pass a law requiring enforcement At this point the Executive is already ignoring the law.