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Funny how a retort to UBI experiments' success in Germany immediately jumps to Marxism and command economies - systems completely unrelated to modern UBI propos

by mptest 1y ago

Funny how a retort to UBI experiments' success in Germany immediately jumps to Marxism and command economies - systems completely unrelated to modern UBI proposals. These programs are being tested in capitalist democracies with positive results. Regarding Cuba and Venezuela - their economic challenges stem from complex factors but primarily U.S. sanctions, embargoes, and intervention attempts, not the "Marxism" you're hallucinating. More relevant examples would be the successful social welfare programs in Nordic countries, which maintain robust market economies while ensuring basic needs are met. Try to focus on actual evidence from UBI trials rather than silly McCarthy era rhetoric.

graemep 1y ago
and a lot of libertarians do favour UBI because it is an alterative to means tested welfare that does not distort market mechanisms. here is an example.: https://www.adamsmith.org/press-releases/rising-evidence-basic-income https://www.adamsmith.org/press-releases/rising-evidence-bas... There is support for UBI from socialists too. The opposition comes from the "centre" - people whose main concern is maintaining the status quo.
- mptest 1y ago
  >There is support for UBI from socialists too. The opposition comes from the "centre - people whose main concern is maintaining the status quo. Yeah, almost like that MLK guy knew what he was talking about. Changes from the original quote will be italicized "I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the economic moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the poor's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the libertarian or socialists, but the economic moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the poor to wait for a “more convenient season.”

by mptest 1y ago

graemep 1y ago

and a lot of libertarians do favour UBI because it is an alterative to means tested welfare that does not distort market mechanisms. here is an example.: https://www.adamsmith.org/press-releases/rising-evidence-basic-income https://www.adamsmith.org/press-releases/rising-evidence-bas... There is support for UBI from socialists too. The opposition comes from the "centre" - people whose main concern is maintaining the status quo.

mptest 1y ago
>There is support for UBI from socialists too. The opposition comes from the "centre - people whose main concern is maintaining the status quo. Yeah, almost like that MLK guy knew what he was talking about. Changes from the original quote will be italicized "I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the economic moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the poor's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the libertarian or socialists, but the economic moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the poor to wait for a “more convenient season.”