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There is zero relation there. OP is falling about the spec incorporating usage monitoring. 5G was designed with a very public and explicit goal for IoT of all

There is zero relation there. OP is falling about the spec incorporating usage monitoring. 5G was designed with a very public and explicit goal for IoT of allowing many more devices to connect than 4G could, and more conveniently. Nothing unexpected or user-harming, and nothing new as 4G was already used for IoT.

timthorn 2y ago
When EE launched 5G in the UK, they took out a full page ad with a massive headline saying simply "A real crowd pleaser" One of the best adverts for a long time - if you knew about the technical advantages of 5G, it had a real double meaning. If you knew 90s British dance music, it had a further humourous double meaning promoting the telco (an oblique reference to The Shamen's Ebenezer Goode)
- actionfromafar 2y ago
  NEVER underestimate the layered entendre game in the UK.
- louthy 2y ago
  > an oblique reference to The Shamen's Ebenezer Goode That didn’t even cross my mind and Rich West (Mr. C) is a friend of mine and I know the song well. I, of course, get the reference now it has been pointed out, but you’re right that it’s pretty damn oblique!
  - timthorn 2y ago
    I never knew 'Eezer, but do pass on my thanks to Rich for some brilliant tunes from my younger years!
wkat4242 2y ago
Yeah at my work we still get a lot of the old 5G propaganda. "It's groundbreaking for IoT". Beh screw that it's just the successor to 4G. A bit faster and more flexible. The rest is just stupid marketing. There's nothing it can do that 4G couldn't, only slightly less efficiently. The one thing that was really new was support for super high density environments with mmWave. That would have been ideal for stadiums etc. With regular tech the networks get overwhelmed. mmWave offers more cells in a tiny area. But here in Europe that's been given up for good. Phones don't even come with mmWave antennas anymore.
Lammy 2y ago
> Nothing unexpected or user-harming, and nothing new as 4G was already used for IoT. https://www.fastcompany.com/90314058/5g-means-youll-have-to-say-goodbye-to-your-location-privacy https://www.fastcompany.com/90314058/5g-means-youll-have-to-...
- arghwhat 2y ago
  This is a clickbait article. More towers mean that existing triangulation somewhat more accurate, and "anyone with access" is the cellular service provider. 5G does not always result in more towers, it just supports closer towers for better performance. "Anyone with access" to Google or Apple data also knows exactly where you are. "Anyone with access" to <social media app of choice> knows exactly where you are. "Anyone with access" to police databases know exactly where you drove. "Anyone with access" to VISA/Mastercard data knows exactly where you've shopped. "Anyone with access" to Find my data will know exactly where your phones, headphones, and other trackable items are at any point in time. This isn't a complaint about 5G, but about cellular anonymity which has never existed.

timthorn 2y ago

When EE launched 5G in the UK, they took out a full page ad with a massive headline saying simply "A real crowd pleaser" One of the best adverts for a long time - if you knew about the technical advantages of 5G, it had a real double meaning. If you knew 90s British dance music, it had a further humourous double meaning promoting the telco (an oblique reference to The Shamen's Ebenezer Goode)

actionfromafar 2y ago
NEVER underestimate the layered entendre game in the UK.
louthy 2y ago
> an oblique reference to The Shamen's Ebenezer Goode That didn’t even cross my mind and Rich West (Mr. C) is a friend of mine and I know the song well. I, of course, get the reference now it has been pointed out, but you’re right that it’s pretty damn oblique!
- timthorn 2y ago
  I never knew 'Eezer, but do pass on my thanks to Rich for some brilliant tunes from my younger years!

wkat4242 2y ago

Yeah at my work we still get a lot of the old 5G propaganda. "It's groundbreaking for IoT". Beh screw that it's just the successor to 4G. A bit faster and more flexible. The rest is just stupid marketing. There's nothing it can do that 4G couldn't, only slightly less efficiently. The one thing that was really new was support for super high density environments with mmWave. That would have been ideal for stadiums etc. With regular tech the networks get overwhelmed. mmWave offers more cells in a tiny area. But here in Europe that's been given up for good. Phones don't even come with mmWave antennas anymore.

Lammy 2y ago

> Nothing unexpected or user-harming, and nothing new as 4G was already used for IoT. https://www.fastcompany.com/90314058/5g-means-youll-have-to-say-goodbye-to-your-location-privacy https://www.fastcompany.com/90314058/5g-means-youll-have-to-...

arghwhat 2y ago
This is a clickbait article. More towers mean that existing triangulation somewhat more accurate, and "anyone with access" is the cellular service provider. 5G does not always result in more towers, it just supports closer towers for better performance. "Anyone with access" to Google or Apple data also knows exactly where you are. "Anyone with access" to <social media app of choice> knows exactly where you are. "Anyone with access" to police databases know exactly where you drove. "Anyone with access" to VISA/Mastercard data knows exactly where you've shopped. "Anyone with access" to Find my data will know exactly where your phones, headphones, and other trackable items are at any point in time. This isn't a complaint about 5G, but about cellular anonymity which has never existed.