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That sounds really good. What are the downsides? How does it fare in terms of PlayIntegrity and SafetyNet etc?

by therein 2y ago

10729287 2y ago
I may be wrong but I think most bank apps won't run on those devices. Anyone can confirm ?
- switch007 2y ago
  YMMV. I'm on mobile but I think someone maintains a wiki page of compatibility. Remarkably, Nationwide (UK) runs perfectly even without Google services. (Except it doesn't poll for payment confirmations but that's understandable. They're always fetched when you open the app though. Or it could be my setup). It's actually quite shocking and it speaks to Nationwide as being a decent organisation. It's also not necessarily a downside. Having your banking app on your phone can be a risk of you often take your phone out in public The absolute blocker is Google Pay. That isn't supported
  - fph 2y ago
    Here it is: https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/ https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa... with its github backend https://github.com/PrivSec-dev/banking-apps-compat-report https://github.com/PrivSec-dev/banking-apps-compat-report If you are in Europe, Curve recently enabled mobile payments without Google Pay, and that might solve the issue (but I haven't tried it myself). Some app that don't work because they require strong integrity are listed here: https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-guide#apps-banning-grapheneos https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-gu...
    - switch007 2y ago
      Great thanks for linking! I'm sleep deprived and was being lazy. Awesome to read the support chat from nationwide saying it's explicitly supported. I figured as it works so well. They're a very decent building society/bank if anyone is looking for a new one!
    - xorcist 2y ago
      > Curve recently enabled mobile payments without Google Pay, This could be very useful. My Google skills came up short. Do you have a link?
      - codethief 2y ago
        Not sure my search engine skills are any better but here are a few links: From 2 years ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/GrapheneOS/comments/126nd51/comment/jeaa9ex/ https://www.reddit.com/r/GrapheneOS/comments/126nd51/comment... -> Sounds like Curve (without Google Pay) wasn't officially supported in Europe and didn't work for most people. However, this seems to have changed a couple days ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/curve/comments/17txz6u/comment/mkwletw/ https://www.reddit.com/r/curve/comments/17txz6u/comment/mkwl... https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/443-gpay-alternatives-for-grapheneos/117 https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/443-gpay-alternatives-for-g... https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/475-wallet-google-pay/105 https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/475-wallet-google-pay/105 https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/curve-pay-available-as-alternative-to-google-pay-on-grapheneos-in-certain-regions/26321/1 https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/curve-pay-available-as-a... This is in line with an interview with the CEO of Curve from last month, https://paymentsconsulting.com/qa-with-shachar-bialick-at-curve/ https://paymentsconsulting.com/qa-with-shachar-bialick-at-cu... > We are launching Curve Pay in beta for Android soon and plan to release it on iOS thereafter. This will allow customers to use Curve as their default wallet, just like Apple Pay or Google Pay. …and with various German news sites reporting that Curve Pay is now available in Germany (and likely other parts of the EEA).
- blackbear_ 2y ago
  I can't say for "most" apps but I've never had any issue with banking nor digital identity apps.
  - mikae1 2y ago
    Same here, no problems. You can run Google Play Services and Google apps sandboxed using the built-in GrapheneOS App Store. There's nothing like it.
  - Eavolution 2y ago
    I wouldn't say most, but a large portion. You should be able to look up in advance which ones are funny about custom roms, the key words are safetynet or play integrety api. My solution to this is put the bank apps that are annoying about it on an old phone (I knew I'd find a use for one eventually!)
- darthrupert 2y ago
  https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/ https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa... Many seem to work, if you apply some tweaks. Google Wallet NFC payments totally don't, I believe.
- haakon 2y ago
  All bank apps I've tried works.
  - fragmede 2y ago
    Which, I mean, I'm willing to buy that, but it would be helpful if you named names.
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
    - ProfDreamer 2y ago
      There's a crowd-sourced list of banking apps known to work on GOS at <https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/ https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa...>.
- Biganon 2y ago
  I'm in Switzerland, and both Neon (Hypothekarbank Lenzburg) and Zak (Banque CLER) work perfectly fine. Google Wallet does not work, therefore I cannot use my phone to pay wirelessly with my Neon card, which is a shame. The only apps I had trouble with were Twint (had to install it with F-Droid, as Play kept telling me it was not compatible with my device), and... the McDonald's app (which forces me to move my fat ass to one of their kiosks to order my food instead of doing it from the table).
- fidelramos 2y ago
  As a GrapheneOS user I can speak of my experience: the app for my bank was working fine until 2 months ago, when after an upgrade it stopped working because of Integration API. I will contact them to try to get them to support GrapheneOS, but I will not be holding my breath. I uninstalled it in the meantime and use my computer. If they ever require the app I would likely switch to a different bank.
Vinnl 2y ago
One downside (that may be a very manageable one) is limited device support (which enables all that).
nvllsvm 2y ago
Balatro is not installable from the Play Store on my Pixel 7 due to Play Integrity. Side note, balatro-mobile-maker works really well as an unofficial port to Android. https://github.com/blake502/balatro-mobile-maker https://github.com/blake502/balatro-mobile-maker

That sounds really good. What are the downsides? How does it fare in terms of PlayIntegrity and SafetyNet etc?

10729287 2y ago

I may be wrong but I think most bank apps won't run on those devices. Anyone can confirm ?

switch007 2y ago
YMMV. I'm on mobile but I think someone maintains a wiki page of compatibility. Remarkably, Nationwide (UK) runs perfectly even without Google services. (Except it doesn't poll for payment confirmations but that's understandable. They're always fetched when you open the app though. Or it could be my setup). It's actually quite shocking and it speaks to Nationwide as being a decent organisation. It's also not necessarily a downside. Having your banking app on your phone can be a risk of you often take your phone out in public The absolute blocker is Google Pay. That isn't supported
- fph 2y ago
  Here it is: https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/ https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa... with its github backend https://github.com/PrivSec-dev/banking-apps-compat-report https://github.com/PrivSec-dev/banking-apps-compat-report If you are in Europe, Curve recently enabled mobile payments without Google Pay, and that might solve the issue (but I haven't tried it myself). Some app that don't work because they require strong integrity are listed here: https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-guide#apps-banning-grapheneos https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-gu...
  - switch007 2y ago
    Great thanks for linking! I'm sleep deprived and was being lazy. Awesome to read the support chat from nationwide saying it's explicitly supported. I figured as it works so well. They're a very decent building society/bank if anyone is looking for a new one!
  - xorcist 2y ago
    > Curve recently enabled mobile payments without Google Pay, This could be very useful. My Google skills came up short. Do you have a link?
    - codethief 2y ago
      Not sure my search engine skills are any better but here are a few links: From 2 years ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/GrapheneOS/comments/126nd51/comment/jeaa9ex/ https://www.reddit.com/r/GrapheneOS/comments/126nd51/comment... -> Sounds like Curve (without Google Pay) wasn't officially supported in Europe and didn't work for most people. However, this seems to have changed a couple days ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/curve/comments/17txz6u/comment/mkwletw/ https://www.reddit.com/r/curve/comments/17txz6u/comment/mkwl... https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/443-gpay-alternatives-for-grapheneos/117 https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/443-gpay-alternatives-for-g... https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/475-wallet-google-pay/105 https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/475-wallet-google-pay/105 https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/curve-pay-available-as-alternative-to-google-pay-on-grapheneos-in-certain-regions/26321/1 https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/curve-pay-available-as-a... This is in line with an interview with the CEO of Curve from last month, https://paymentsconsulting.com/qa-with-shachar-bialick-at-curve/ https://paymentsconsulting.com/qa-with-shachar-bialick-at-cu... > We are launching Curve Pay in beta for Android soon and plan to release it on iOS thereafter. This will allow customers to use Curve as their default wallet, just like Apple Pay or Google Pay. …and with various German news sites reporting that Curve Pay is now available in Germany (and likely other parts of the EEA).
blackbear_ 2y ago
I can't say for "most" apps but I've never had any issue with banking nor digital identity apps.
- mikae1 2y ago
  Same here, no problems. You can run Google Play Services and Google apps sandboxed using the built-in GrapheneOS App Store. There's nothing like it.
- Eavolution 2y ago
  I wouldn't say most, but a large portion. You should be able to look up in advance which ones are funny about custom roms, the key words are safetynet or play integrety api. My solution to this is put the bank apps that are annoying about it on an old phone (I knew I'd find a use for one eventually!)
darthrupert 2y ago
https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/ https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa... Many seem to work, if you apply some tweaks. Google Wallet NFC payments totally don't, I believe.
haakon 2y ago
All bank apps I've tried works.
- fragmede 2y ago
  Which, I mean, I'm willing to buy that, but it would be helpful if you named names.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - ProfDreamer 2y ago
    There's a crowd-sourced list of banking apps known to work on GOS at <https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/ https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa...>.
Biganon 2y ago
I'm in Switzerland, and both Neon (Hypothekarbank Lenzburg) and Zak (Banque CLER) work perfectly fine. Google Wallet does not work, therefore I cannot use my phone to pay wirelessly with my Neon card, which is a shame. The only apps I had trouble with were Twint (had to install it with F-Droid, as Play kept telling me it was not compatible with my device), and... the McDonald's app (which forces me to move my fat ass to one of their kiosks to order my food instead of doing it from the table).
fidelramos 2y ago
As a GrapheneOS user I can speak of my experience: the app for my bank was working fine until 2 months ago, when after an upgrade it stopped working because of Integration API. I will contact them to try to get them to support GrapheneOS, but I will not be holding my breath. I uninstalled it in the meantime and use my computer. If they ever require the app I would likely switch to a different bank.

Vinnl 2y ago

One downside (that may be a very manageable one) is limited device support (which enables all that).

nvllsvm 2y ago

Balatro is not installable from the Play Store on my Pixel 7 due to Play Integrity. Side note, balatro-mobile-maker works really well as an unofficial port to Android. https://github.com/blake502/balatro-mobile-maker https://github.com/blake502/balatro-mobile-maker