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There is a third and fourth red flag, is it conscious or not I don’t know. I am not even speaking of « do the users feel what it is ». Here it is: If some pe

There is a third and fourth red flag, is it conscious or not I don’t know. I am not even speaking of « do the users feel what it is ». Here it is: If some people are so enthusiastic and ruthless defenders of AI generators that were trained/fed from the work of millions on unconsenting artists… 1/ what do they expect will happen to their own generated production? 2/ what do they expect will happen to their own consent, in that particular matter, or in others matters (as this will have been an additional precedent, a de facto)? Again, said it elsewhere, there is a power play behind this, that is very related to the brolicharchy pushing for some kind of twisted, « red pilled » (lol) masculinity, and that is related to rape as a culture, not only in sexual matter but in all of them.

squigz 1y ago
Can you talk more about "rape as a culture"?
- Juliate 1y ago
  Rape is fundamentally about power, control and the violation of consent. The casual dismissal of artists' fundamental rights to control their work and how they are used is a part of a larger cultural problem, where might would rule over law, power would rule over justice, lies over truth. That may seem a charged argument, and it is, because it hits right and it is particularly uncomfortable to acknowledge. The same tech leaders that push for this move over IP law are the tech leaders that fund(ed) the current dismantling of US democracy and that have chosen their political team because it aligns precisely (up to the man that got the presidential seat, the man that has (had?) quite problematic issues towards women) with their values. This is too obvious to be an accident. And this is also a stern warning. Because the ideology behind power does not stop at anything. It goes on until it eats itself.
  - squigz 1y ago
    Do you maybe think using 'rape' in such a casual way takes away anything from actual rape victims?
    - Juliate 1y ago
      1/ It does not take anything away. The use is not casual but deliberate and analytical. The concept of « rape culture » extends beyond sexual assault to other patterns of consent violation and power dynamics. 2/ it has been discussed for like, decades, in academic and social contexts, how attitudes in some domain reflects and reinforces them in others. 3/ Your « actual » makes an assumption about my experience that you have no basis for. Point remains that non-consensual use of artists’ work reflects the same fundamental disregard for autonomy that characterizes other consent violations.

squigz 1y ago

Can you talk more about "rape as a culture"?

Juliate 1y ago
Rape is fundamentally about power, control and the violation of consent. The casual dismissal of artists' fundamental rights to control their work and how they are used is a part of a larger cultural problem, where might would rule over law, power would rule over justice, lies over truth. That may seem a charged argument, and it is, because it hits right and it is particularly uncomfortable to acknowledge. The same tech leaders that push for this move over IP law are the tech leaders that fund(ed) the current dismantling of US democracy and that have chosen their political team because it aligns precisely (up to the man that got the presidential seat, the man that has (had?) quite problematic issues towards women) with their values. This is too obvious to be an accident. And this is also a stern warning. Because the ideology behind power does not stop at anything. It goes on until it eats itself.
- squigz 1y ago
  Do you maybe think using 'rape' in such a casual way takes away anything from actual rape victims?
  - Juliate 1y ago
    1/ It does not take anything away. The use is not casual but deliberate and analytical. The concept of « rape culture » extends beyond sexual assault to other patterns of consent violation and power dynamics. 2/ it has been discussed for like, decades, in academic and social contexts, how attitudes in some domain reflects and reinforces them in others. 3/ Your « actual » makes an assumption about my experience that you have no basis for. Point remains that non-consensual use of artists’ work reflects the same fundamental disregard for autonomy that characterizes other consent violations.