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It's a shame that riders of bikes and scooters in your city feel so unsafe riding on the road, that they are forced onto the sidewalks. Blame dangerous drivers

It's a shame that riders of bikes and scooters in your city feel so unsafe riding on the road, that they are forced onto the sidewalks. Blame dangerous drivers and the lack of protected bike lanes though, not your neighbors who are just trying to arrive at their destinations alive. Pedestrian collisions with bikes versus collisions with automobiles are utterly incomparable both in number and severity. If that cyclist had been driving a car, you would probably need to find a new nanny!

Saline9515 1y ago
The problem is that most cyclists in my city have no idea about the basic of safety and how to evaluate risk. Most of them ride with headsets on, often noise-cancelling, no helmets and no reflectors. So I'm a bit dubious about the excuse "they are so scared". And even then, they can still walk instead of endangering pedestrians. As for your last paragraph, this is false; walking on the sidewalk is and should be safe: adding cyclists there makes it unsafe, irrelevant of the car's behavior. Typical predatory thinking of a toxic cyclist.
- microtonal 1y ago
  You need to develop infrastructure (bike lanes and paths) and a cycling culture (which comes with giving kids training in primary school). To give some examples how things work here: - Most kids get 'traffic training' and have to do a theoretical and practical exam when they are about 10 or 11. - Building a cycling culture makes car drivers more aware. If car drivers are also cyclists themselves, they are more aware of cyclists. Also, during driving lessons some techniques are practiced, like e.g. opening a door with your hand that is opposite to the door. By doing so, you automatically turn while opening the door, so you can see if any cyclists are passing. All of this makes cycling on roads (as opposed to pavements safer). - Give bikes a lane, or even better a separate bike path. Only let cars and bikes share a street in low-speed (30 km/h) non-busy streets. Cars, bikes, and pedestrians differ so much in speed that they usually should not be on the same roads. - Change your laws such that in accidents involving cars <-> bikes or car <-> pedestrian, the car driver always bares a certain amount of liability even if the cyclist/pedestrian is at fault. To a cyclist/pedestrian a car is like a bullet flying by. Putting more liability on the car driver makes them more careful. - Design your cities so that cycling/walking is preferred. E.g. the city I live uses filtered permeability. As closer you get to the city center, the harder it becomes to get there by car, whereas you can get everywhere easily by bike or by foot. This fosters a culture where biking/walking is the norm, because you can get in different places faster by bike. It works very well. I don't know of any pedestrians who were hit by a bike. Typical predatory thinking of a toxic cyclist. Please avoid the personal attacks and victim-blaming. I have also lived in a country that was not cycling-safe and usually the only way to avoid getting hit is to ride on the pavement (as most natives did). The problem is not the cyclist, but the miserable infrastructure for anything that is not a car. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permeability_(spatial_and_transport_planning)#Filtered_permeability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permeability_(spatial_and_tran...
codedokode 1y ago
Delivery drivers on e-bikes are the worst in my country, they ride on the sidewalk between pedestrians and cross the roads ignoring traffic lights and rules, feels like you are in a developing Asian country. Why don't they want to ride on the roadway? Because with their and car drivers style of driving it's dangerous.
- andrepd 1y ago
  Delivery drivers are a completely separate problem, and they are a menace whether they ride bikes, scooters, or cars. The issue there is the gig economy apps incenctivising by every means possible (including threats of termination) that drivers go as fast as possible, rules and their own safety be damned. All for someone to get their soggy fries in 35mins instead of 40.

Saline9515 1y ago

The problem is that most cyclists in my city have no idea about the basic of safety and how to evaluate risk. Most of them ride with headsets on, often noise-cancelling, no helmets and no reflectors. So I'm a bit dubious about the excuse "they are so scared". And even then, they can still walk instead of endangering pedestrians. As for your last paragraph, this is false; walking on the sidewalk is and should be safe: adding cyclists there makes it unsafe, irrelevant of the car's behavior. Typical predatory thinking of a toxic cyclist.

microtonal 1y ago
You need to develop infrastructure (bike lanes and paths) and a cycling culture (which comes with giving kids training in primary school). To give some examples how things work here: - Most kids get 'traffic training' and have to do a theoretical and practical exam when they are about 10 or 11. - Building a cycling culture makes car drivers more aware. If car drivers are also cyclists themselves, they are more aware of cyclists. Also, during driving lessons some techniques are practiced, like e.g. opening a door with your hand that is opposite to the door. By doing so, you automatically turn while opening the door, so you can see if any cyclists are passing. All of this makes cycling on roads (as opposed to pavements safer). - Give bikes a lane, or even better a separate bike path. Only let cars and bikes share a street in low-speed (30 km/h) non-busy streets. Cars, bikes, and pedestrians differ so much in speed that they usually should not be on the same roads. - Change your laws such that in accidents involving cars <-> bikes or car <-> pedestrian, the car driver always bares a certain amount of liability even if the cyclist/pedestrian is at fault. To a cyclist/pedestrian a car is like a bullet flying by. Putting more liability on the car driver makes them more careful. - Design your cities so that cycling/walking is preferred. E.g. the city I live uses filtered permeability. As closer you get to the city center, the harder it becomes to get there by car, whereas you can get everywhere easily by bike or by foot. This fosters a culture where biking/walking is the norm, because you can get in different places faster by bike. It works very well. I don't know of any pedestrians who were hit by a bike. Typical predatory thinking of a toxic cyclist. Please avoid the personal attacks and victim-blaming. I have also lived in a country that was not cycling-safe and usually the only way to avoid getting hit is to ride on the pavement (as most natives did). The problem is not the cyclist, but the miserable infrastructure for anything that is not a car. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permeability_(spatial_and_transport_planning)#Filtered_permeability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permeability_(spatial_and_tran...

codedokode 1y ago

Delivery drivers on e-bikes are the worst in my country, they ride on the sidewalk between pedestrians and cross the roads ignoring traffic lights and rules, feels like you are in a developing Asian country. Why don't they want to ride on the roadway? Because with their and car drivers style of driving it's dangerous.

andrepd 1y ago
Delivery drivers are a completely separate problem, and they are a menace whether they ride bikes, scooters, or cars. The issue there is the gig economy apps incenctivising by every means possible (including threats of termination) that drivers go as fast as possible, rules and their own safety be damned. All for someone to get their soggy fries in 35mins instead of 40.