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Cracking down on legal immigrants, skilled immigrants makes no sense. That’s what built America. Cracking down on illegal immigration makes plenty of sense. I h

Cracking down on legal immigrants, skilled immigrants makes no sense. That’s what built America. Cracking down on illegal immigration makes plenty of sense. I hope the administration can see the difference.

bryant 1y ago
They're not really cracking down on one over the other. They're cracking down on what they view as undesirable viewpoints.
- xedrac 1y ago
  How so? Everything I've seen from them indicates they are purely focused on illegal immigration.
  - barbazoo 1y ago
    Two things can be true at the same time
  - macintux 1y ago
    - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/migrants-in-u-s-legally-and-with-no-criminal-history-caught-up-in-trump-crackdown https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/migrants-in-u-s-legally-an... - https://www.newsweek.com/immigration-legal-migrant-detained-ice-raids-trump-2024014 https://www.newsweek.com/immigration-legal-migrant-detained-... - https://www.npr.org/2025/02/04/nx-s1-5282379/trumps-mass-deportation-arrests-of-non-criminal-immigrants-no-criminal-record https://www.npr.org/2025/02/04/nx-s1-5282379/trumps-mass-dep... - https://truthout.org/articles/trump-administration-has-detained-citizens-as-part-of-mass-deportation-actions/ https://truthout.org/articles/trump-administration-has-detai...
  - jmulho 1y ago
    Rights afforded by the US Constitution such as free speech, assembly, and due process extend to everyone in the country, not just citizens. But apparently, there is no right to be in the US. The state department (Marco Rubio) has the power to revoke any non-citizen’s permission. And that is exactly what they are doing right now to non-citizens who are legally in the US on visas for work, school, vacation, etc., if these people do or say something the Trump administration finds objectionable like attending a pro-Palestinian protest. They’ve revoked 500 student visas so far at dozens of universities. Google “revoke student visa”. And since there is no illegality needed, there is no due process necessary. These people are just sent home with no explanation given. In some cases they have no idea what they even did wrong. They can even be kicked out on mistaken identity because there is no due process. This has nothing to do with illegal immigration. These people are in the US legally, and have done nothing illegal. This policy is apparently designed to intimidate anyone who dissents, including citizens. If the Trump administration can find a legal loophole that allows them to harm their enemies they are using it. And if no loophole exists, they are trying it anyway (since Trump’s Supreme Court has already ruled that nothing he does can be a crime). See their actions against law firms and investigations into Miles Taylor (called Trump “unfit”) and Chris Krebs (called the 2020 election “secure”). All this is happening under your nose and you see it as purely focused on illegal immigration.
- 77pt77 1y ago
  Yes, but more so on undesirable people. There are people that at best they don't want to "see", at worst to exist.
FirmwareBurner 1y ago
>Cracking down on legal immigrants, skilled immigrants makes no sense It makes sense when thy engage in political activism or become dissidents. Just because they're skilled doesn't mean they can't be legally causing troubles at the same time. No country tolerates foreigners moving in and acting against the country that took them in. Well, maybe Germany does. When you emigrate somewhere on a visa, you're a guest in the country who's tolerated as long as you follow the rules and contribute to society, the moment you start causing trouble with protests or become a nuisance, you're out. Simple.
- m2024 1y ago
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- Krssst 1y ago
  They're not acting against the country but against the government. The country may very well benefit largely from the government being impeded.
  - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
    The government gave them the visa. When you apply for the visa you interact with the government and they give you the visa. If you check the terms and conditions of your visa, they're tied to you following the laws and not causing any issues otherwise it gets revoked. The moment you try to swing a punch against the government that gave you that visa, then that contract is void, and you're out. I don't see how this is an issue. Are you OK with foreigners coming into your country and starting to go against your democratically elected government(in principle, not just the orange man specifically)? I don't know anyone who wants that. Let citizens deal with their elected government, you can too once you become a citizen, if you want.
    - sokka_h2otribe 1y ago
      Why do we have freedom of speech for Americans? One reason is that it is a check on power. The protestors and editorial writers were typically not arrested for breaking laws. Typically there are some rules on protests, and when they are not followed then police are free to arrest people. These people are part of the fabric of free speech that adds value to America. It's messier to live in a country like that, but it stops crazy authoritarian bubbles. I think it's slower at times, but leads to a better outcome. Many American friends I know don't have the same family history surrounding governments like the Nazis, ussr and CCP. These things are worth protecting, and by the time you realize it -- you're too late. This is my response you asked for. Does it help ?
autobodie 1y ago
It's what built every single country on Earth except theoretically Egypt? Your point is just makes no sense to me.

bryant 1y ago

They're not really cracking down on one over the other. They're cracking down on what they view as undesirable viewpoints.

xedrac 1y ago
How so? Everything I've seen from them indicates they are purely focused on illegal immigration.
- barbazoo 1y ago
  Two things can be true at the same time
- macintux 1y ago
  - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/migrants-in-u-s-legally-and-with-no-criminal-history-caught-up-in-trump-crackdown https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/migrants-in-u-s-legally-an... - https://www.newsweek.com/immigration-legal-migrant-detained-ice-raids-trump-2024014 https://www.newsweek.com/immigration-legal-migrant-detained-... - https://www.npr.org/2025/02/04/nx-s1-5282379/trumps-mass-deportation-arrests-of-non-criminal-immigrants-no-criminal-record https://www.npr.org/2025/02/04/nx-s1-5282379/trumps-mass-dep... - https://truthout.org/articles/trump-administration-has-detained-citizens-as-part-of-mass-deportation-actions/ https://truthout.org/articles/trump-administration-has-detai...
- jmulho 1y ago
  Rights afforded by the US Constitution such as free speech, assembly, and due process extend to everyone in the country, not just citizens. But apparently, there is no right to be in the US. The state department (Marco Rubio) has the power to revoke any non-citizen’s permission. And that is exactly what they are doing right now to non-citizens who are legally in the US on visas for work, school, vacation, etc., if these people do or say something the Trump administration finds objectionable like attending a pro-Palestinian protest. They’ve revoked 500 student visas so far at dozens of universities. Google “revoke student visa”. And since there is no illegality needed, there is no due process necessary. These people are just sent home with no explanation given. In some cases they have no idea what they even did wrong. They can even be kicked out on mistaken identity because there is no due process. This has nothing to do with illegal immigration. These people are in the US legally, and have done nothing illegal. This policy is apparently designed to intimidate anyone who dissents, including citizens. If the Trump administration can find a legal loophole that allows them to harm their enemies they are using it. And if no loophole exists, they are trying it anyway (since Trump’s Supreme Court has already ruled that nothing he does can be a crime). See their actions against law firms and investigations into Miles Taylor (called Trump “unfit”) and Chris Krebs (called the 2020 election “secure”). All this is happening under your nose and you see it as purely focused on illegal immigration.
77pt77 1y ago
Yes, but more so on undesirable people. There are people that at best they don't want to "see", at worst to exist.

FirmwareBurner 1y ago

>Cracking down on legal immigrants, skilled immigrants makes no sense It makes sense when thy engage in political activism or become dissidents. Just because they're skilled doesn't mean they can't be legally causing troubles at the same time. No country tolerates foreigners moving in and acting against the country that took them in. Well, maybe Germany does. When you emigrate somewhere on a visa, you're a guest in the country who's tolerated as long as you follow the rules and contribute to society, the moment you start causing trouble with protests or become a nuisance, you're out. Simple.

m2024 1y ago
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Krssst 1y ago
They're not acting against the country but against the government. The country may very well benefit largely from the government being impeded.
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  The government gave them the visa. When you apply for the visa you interact with the government and they give you the visa. If you check the terms and conditions of your visa, they're tied to you following the laws and not causing any issues otherwise it gets revoked. The moment you try to swing a punch against the government that gave you that visa, then that contract is void, and you're out. I don't see how this is an issue. Are you OK with foreigners coming into your country and starting to go against your democratically elected government(in principle, not just the orange man specifically)? I don't know anyone who wants that. Let citizens deal with their elected government, you can too once you become a citizen, if you want.
  - sokka_h2otribe 1y ago
    Why do we have freedom of speech for Americans? One reason is that it is a check on power. The protestors and editorial writers were typically not arrested for breaking laws. Typically there are some rules on protests, and when they are not followed then police are free to arrest people. These people are part of the fabric of free speech that adds value to America. It's messier to live in a country like that, but it stops crazy authoritarian bubbles. I think it's slower at times, but leads to a better outcome. Many American friends I know don't have the same family history surrounding governments like the Nazis, ussr and CCP. These things are worth protecting, and by the time you realize it -- you're too late. This is my response you asked for. Does it help ?

autobodie 1y ago

It's what built every single country on Earth except theoretically Egypt? Your point is just makes no sense to me.