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Common people across the board have been sick and tired of the establishment since 2000ish. First it was the tea party, then they voted for Obama because a you

Common people across the board have been sick and tired of the establishment since 2000ish. First it was the tea party, then they voted for Obama because a younger black guy talking about change seemed credible, then occupy wall street, then Maga, then 2020/BLM, then Maga round 2. While these movements have all been coopted to various extents by various bits of the establishment power structure the underlying trend and common theme that is minting these (at least initially) grassroots is very clear and with each round the movements seem to gain a broader base. People of all political positions seek an alternate to the establishment. If people could pull their heads out of their partisan asses they'd see this. The color of the dictator may as well be the result of a coin toss. This is the result of a long term trend.

CamperBob2 2y ago
The color of the dictator may as well be the result of a coin toss That seems disingenuous. Obama: "Vote for me and I'll bring you hope and change and healthcare and all this other stuff." Trump: "Vote for me and you won't have to bother voting again." There is simply no room for BSAB rationalization here.
- Whoppertime 2y ago
  People voted for Obama hoping for an end to war in the Middle East. A lot of people who were protesting the Iraq War when George Bush was president had no problem with Obama expanding the conflict into Libya. The Snowden scandal happened under Obama, and showed that the excesses of the Patriot Act didn't stop under Obama. Can you understand why some people who voted for Obama hoping for peace in the middle east and a re-establishment of civil liberties could end up jaded?
namdnay 2y ago
> First it was the tea party, then they voted for Obama I very very very very much doubt these were the same people
- AnthonyMouse 2y ago
  They don't have to be the same people if they were the people who showed up in the primary to vote for someone like Ron Paul and then stayed home on election day when the Republicans nominated an establishment candidate instead. But also, you might be surprised. Elections aren't decided by the bulk of partisan voters who show up to always vote for the same party and then cancel each other out. They're decided by the much smaller number of people willing to vote for a candidate instead of a party, and therefore move votes from one column to the other.
kergonath 2y ago
> then they voted for Obama because a younger black guy talking about change seemed credible Some people voted for Obama because he made them hope for a better future. Some people voted for Trump because he promised them hell for other people. They are nothing alike.

CamperBob2 2y ago

The color of the dictator may as well be the result of a coin toss That seems disingenuous. Obama: "Vote for me and I'll bring you hope and change and healthcare and all this other stuff." Trump: "Vote for me and you won't have to bother voting again." There is simply no room for BSAB rationalization here.

Whoppertime 2y ago
People voted for Obama hoping for an end to war in the Middle East. A lot of people who were protesting the Iraq War when George Bush was president had no problem with Obama expanding the conflict into Libya. The Snowden scandal happened under Obama, and showed that the excesses of the Patriot Act didn't stop under Obama. Can you understand why some people who voted for Obama hoping for peace in the middle east and a re-establishment of civil liberties could end up jaded?

namdnay 2y ago

> First it was the tea party, then they voted for Obama I very very very very much doubt these were the same people

AnthonyMouse 2y ago
They don't have to be the same people if they were the people who showed up in the primary to vote for someone like Ron Paul and then stayed home on election day when the Republicans nominated an establishment candidate instead. But also, you might be surprised. Elections aren't decided by the bulk of partisan voters who show up to always vote for the same party and then cancel each other out. They're decided by the much smaller number of people willing to vote for a candidate instead of a party, and therefore move votes from one column to the other.

kergonath 2y ago

> then they voted for Obama because a younger black guy talking about change seemed credible Some people voted for Obama because he made them hope for a better future. Some people voted for Trump because he promised them hell for other people. They are nothing alike.