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Ok, you are very balanced in your opinion. My issue is whit extremists from all sides, I can't complain on reddit about Israel crimes without getting accused of

Ok, you are very balanced in your opinion. My issue is whit extremists from all sides, I can't complain on reddit about Israel crimes without getting accused of supporting Hamas, or nazis or stuff like that. What I see from pro-Israel gov accounts is bullshit like 1 we have video of war crimes, like killing red cross 2 pro Israel bots(I told you the clues ) come and deny the news is real,video appears so deny the video is real, then they claim that for sure there must have been some weapons or Hamas leader hiding there. Also what is your opinion on Trump and Israel cleaning up Gaza of Palestinians and making building soem comercial crap there? Genocide does not always mean killings.

edanm 1y ago
> My issue is whit extremists from all sides, I can't complain on reddit about Israel crimes without getting accused of supporting Hamas, or nazis or stuff like that. I have an issue with extremists too. > What I see from pro-Israel gov accounts is bullshit like 1 we have video of war crimes, like killing red cross 2 pro Israel bots(I told you the clues ) come and deny the news is real,video appears so deny the video is real, then they claim that for sure there must have been some weapons or Hamas leader hiding there. I'm sure there are plenty of bots/trolls/whatever. There are also a lot of genuine people who are pro-Israelis who will reflexively just not believe any video or reporting at first. It's unfortunately true that there have been many cases of bias against Israel and misreporting; but it's also true (and frankly undeniable) that war crimes have been committed by Israel. This goes the other way - lots of pro-Palestine (or just anti-Israel) people will just answer any statement made by Israel with "Zionists always lie" or various memes to that effect. I wish I were as confident as you that these are all bots; I think my (far more pessimistic) belief is true though, that many of these are real people just posting reflexively without thinking anything through. > Also what is your opinion on Trump and Israel cleaning up Gaza of Palestinians and making building soem comercial crap there? Genocide does not always mean killings. First, genocide does mean killing, or at least acting to make a population disappear via other means. And for the record, I completely disagree with categorizing the Gaza war as a genocide. It's a horrible war, but not at all a genocide, by any definition that any real person uses. Their plan could be ethnic cleansing, depending on whether the eventual plan is to forcibly remove Gazans from Gaza, or whether it's to allow Gazans to leave on a voluntary basis. Of course, I don't think there's any way for Gazans who choose now to be doing it voluntarily - since Israel has destroyed much of the physical infrastructure of Gaza, and the war is still raging. Needless to say (or maybe not needless nowadays), I'm against ethnic cleansing. I think the morally correct thing is for Israel to allow any Gazan that wants to leave for the duration of the war to do so, but make real assurances that they will be allowed to come back at the end of the war. That way the war could truly be against Hamas, and not against the Gazan population that is living through hell right now. This is what happens in every other conflict btw - the world urges the combatants to allow civilians to flee and they become refugees, hopefully returning one day to their home. Other than that, I think that long term, Hamas must be removed from power, and unfortunately given the current reality, no one is going to do that except for Israel. Until Hamas loses power, the Gazan population will continue to suffer, and Israel will continue to be attacked, as Hamas has made clear. I don't know who could plausibly rule afterwards, probably the PA, and of course I support an eventual two-state solution to the conflict.
- simion314 1y ago
  Thanks for your time, I wish there was a reddit/forum where I could have a discussion like this without the extremism killing my will to discuss.

edanm 1y ago

> My issue is whit extremists from all sides, I can't complain on reddit about Israel crimes without getting accused of supporting Hamas, or nazis or stuff like that. I have an issue with extremists too. > What I see from pro-Israel gov accounts is bullshit like 1 we have video of war crimes, like killing red cross 2 pro Israel bots(I told you the clues ) come and deny the news is real,video appears so deny the video is real, then they claim that for sure there must have been some weapons or Hamas leader hiding there. I'm sure there are plenty of bots/trolls/whatever. There are also a lot of genuine people who are pro-Israelis who will reflexively just not believe any video or reporting at first. It's unfortunately true that there have been many cases of bias against Israel and misreporting; but it's also true (and frankly undeniable) that war crimes have been committed by Israel. This goes the other way - lots of pro-Palestine (or just anti-Israel) people will just answer any statement made by Israel with "Zionists always lie" or various memes to that effect. I wish I were as confident as you that these are all bots; I think my (far more pessimistic) belief is true though, that many of these are real people just posting reflexively without thinking anything through. > Also what is your opinion on Trump and Israel cleaning up Gaza of Palestinians and making building soem comercial crap there? Genocide does not always mean killings. First, genocide does mean killing, or at least acting to make a population disappear via other means. And for the record, I completely disagree with categorizing the Gaza war as a genocide. It's a horrible war, but not at all a genocide, by any definition that any real person uses. Their plan could be ethnic cleansing, depending on whether the eventual plan is to forcibly remove Gazans from Gaza, or whether it's to allow Gazans to leave on a voluntary basis. Of course, I don't think there's any way for Gazans who choose now to be doing it voluntarily - since Israel has destroyed much of the physical infrastructure of Gaza, and the war is still raging. Needless to say (or maybe not needless nowadays), I'm against ethnic cleansing. I think the morally correct thing is for Israel to allow any Gazan that wants to leave for the duration of the war to do so, but make real assurances that they will be allowed to come back at the end of the war. That way the war could truly be against Hamas, and not against the Gazan population that is living through hell right now. This is what happens in every other conflict btw - the world urges the combatants to allow civilians to flee and they become refugees, hopefully returning one day to their home. Other than that, I think that long term, Hamas must be removed from power, and unfortunately given the current reality, no one is going to do that except for Israel. Until Hamas loses power, the Gazan population will continue to suffer, and Israel will continue to be attacked, as Hamas has made clear. I don't know who could plausibly rule afterwards, probably the PA, and of course I support an eventual two-state solution to the conflict.

simion314 1y ago
Thanks for your time, I wish there was a reddit/forum where I could have a discussion like this without the extremism killing my will to discuss.