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I assume people that are not paid have a bit of shame and they are also lazy and not work hard to justify why killing children is OK and also jump instantly a t

I assume people that are not paid have a bit of shame and they are also lazy and not work hard to justify why killing children is OK and also jump instantly a topic is posted, and also try to shut me up with accusation of being an anti-semite. There is also an easy but not perfect way to check, you look at the account age and post history. If you check a normal user account like mine you will see it ha many years long, that I post say on average 3 comments a day, some days nothing and maybe soem days more. That I also have low activity and different sections like Star trek, or some video game I was into at that time, or soem TV show, With paid accounts they are all very new, they all post on the same topic like defending Ruzzia or Israel, they are very active only on this topic. Also there is known that Ruzzia and Israel have paid cyber worriors so for sure they have scripts that will alert when something about their regime is posted and they worriors will pop up and repeat their propaganda to excuse the war crimes.

edanm 2y ago
> I assume people that are not paid have a bit of shame and they are also lazy and not work hard to justify why killing children is OK In other words, you assume that people that disagree with you must be bots or paid trolls? That certainly explains why you think Reddit is full of them :) I will often write stuff that you would probably consider pro-Israeli. I'm not a troll and don't get paid for it. Do you simply dismiss anything I say because you assume I'm either a bot or a "Israeli paid cyber warrior"? That makes you wrong, and makes you unable to ever learn new things or new perspectives. (I'm not disputing, btw, that there are a lot of trolls. From my perspective, 90% of people posting anything about the conflict, including some major accounts, are absolutely trolls - they have no skin in the game and little real knowledge of the situation, and simply want to post provocative things, whether pro or anti, to get engagement.)
- simion314 2y ago
  I give you a lot of clues on how to detect a bot I did not said that all people that disagree with me ar bots, for example I disagree with lot of MAGA uninformed people and they are not bots, I can see they are behaving like regular people. Read those hints again, is your account a f ew days old, do you only post about Israel? do you comments appear super fast in response to my comments like it was triggered by alarms? If those are yes then you are a bot, can't be 100% sure if you are paid, could be someone doing is mandatory unpaid military service.
  - edanm 1y ago
    > I give you a lot of clues on how to detect a bot I did not said that all people that disagree with me ar bots, You're putting a bunch of barriers between hearing someone else's opinion and accepting it as valid. > Read those hints again, is your account a f ew days old, do you only post about Israel? In my case, no and no. > do you comments appear super fast in response to my comments like it was triggered by alarms? I do what plenty of other HN users do - I use a 3rd party service that notifies me when someone replies to any of my posts. > can't be 100% sure if you are paid, could be someone doing is mandatory unpaid military service. Which is exactly the problem with your approach. You can write off anyone, including me, as "well they are actually being paid". How can I prove that I'm not? Also, most Israelis between the ages of 18-21 are doing their mandatory military service, that in itself isn't a reason not to listen to them. Btw, military service is not unpaid; IDF soldiers receive a salary, though it's much lower than almost any market wage.
    - simion314 1y ago
      >I do what plenty of other HN users do - I use a 3rd party service that notifies me when someone replies to any of my posts. But do you get notified when I chat with Bob about Israel? Or get a notification when someone says something bad about Israel? OK, let me know why I am mistaken to name Israel killing civilian including children a war crime. Also explain why the recent war crime of killing red cross members (again) is not a war crime . The assholes denied it until video evidence was shown. (very , very shitty behaviour, the same like Ruzzian bots claiming the Azerbaijan airplane was downed by birds and still denying until today that it was Ruzzia). This is other clue to detect a paid bot, denies evidence until their Mistry pof Invazions confirm it with a spin why it was not them or it was a excusable .
      - edanm 1y ago
        > But do you get notified when I chat with Bob about Israel? Or get a notification when someone says something bad about Israel? No. I'm not trying to prove myself to you - I'm sure that someone is actively monitoring mentions of Israel, though I doubt the Israeli government particularly cares what happens on HN - it's fairly niche. I do sometimes search for mentions of Israel in HN search, sometimes including comments, but I don't do it that often. > OK, let me know why I am mistaken to name Israel killing civilian including children a war crime. I think any decent person mourns innocent people being killed, on either side. I personally also mourn for non-civilians being killed - it's not like Israeli soldiers trying to defend their country are people that should be killed, and it's not like most Hamas militants who (in their mind) are defending themselves from a foreign occupier deserve death either. I have far less sympathy for the leaders who know better. But to your question - killing civilian, both morally and in a legal sense, is not in general a war crime unless those civilians were directly targeted, or unless their targeting was disproportionate to valid military aims. Whatever you may think of Israel, Hamas has custom-designed their war to make it extremely difficult to rescue Israeli hostages, and extremely difficult to get to Hamas, without killing civilians. Btw, the more "evil" you think Israel is, the more evil and cynical this makes Hamas - since they knowingly protect themselves with the lives of the civilians under their care. So Israel killing civilians is not, in itself, proof of a war crime. It's a sad fact of reality that civilians die in war. Especially ones in which one side is exploiting their civilians to save themselves. That all said, there is no doubt that many war crimes have been committed. Some are documented and Israel has investigated them and taken steps to stop the people committing them. Some are swept under the rug. I imagine many are never reported. I don't think Israel is especially moral or especially immoral - this is just true of any war. > Also explain why the recent war crime of killing red cross members (again) is not a war crime . I don't have all the facts and neither do you. From what we've seen so far - it definitely seems like a war crime. I reserve judgement because I have some faith in the IDF - you rush to condemn Israel for the opposite reason, I imagine. I've also seen many stories turn out to be far more complicated after investigation than any immediate, attention-grabbing headline would suggest. In any case, I think this should be investigated and, if it was a war crime, for the perpetrators to be prosecuted.

edanm 2y ago

> I assume people that are not paid have a bit of shame and they are also lazy and not work hard to justify why killing children is OK In other words, you assume that people that disagree with you must be bots or paid trolls? That certainly explains why you think Reddit is full of them :) I will often write stuff that you would probably consider pro-Israeli. I'm not a troll and don't get paid for it. Do you simply dismiss anything I say because you assume I'm either a bot or a "Israeli paid cyber warrior"? That makes you wrong, and makes you unable to ever learn new things or new perspectives. (I'm not disputing, btw, that there are a lot of trolls. From my perspective, 90% of people posting anything about the conflict, including some major accounts, are absolutely trolls - they have no skin in the game and little real knowledge of the situation, and simply want to post provocative things, whether pro or anti, to get engagement.)

simion314 2y ago
I give you a lot of clues on how to detect a bot I did not said that all people that disagree with me ar bots, for example I disagree with lot of MAGA uninformed people and they are not bots, I can see they are behaving like regular people. Read those hints again, is your account a f ew days old, do you only post about Israel? do you comments appear super fast in response to my comments like it was triggered by alarms? If those are yes then you are a bot, can't be 100% sure if you are paid, could be someone doing is mandatory unpaid military service.
- edanm 1y ago
  > I give you a lot of clues on how to detect a bot I did not said that all people that disagree with me ar bots, You're putting a bunch of barriers between hearing someone else's opinion and accepting it as valid. > Read those hints again, is your account a f ew days old, do you only post about Israel? In my case, no and no. > do you comments appear super fast in response to my comments like it was triggered by alarms? I do what plenty of other HN users do - I use a 3rd party service that notifies me when someone replies to any of my posts. > can't be 100% sure if you are paid, could be someone doing is mandatory unpaid military service. Which is exactly the problem with your approach. You can write off anyone, including me, as "well they are actually being paid". How can I prove that I'm not? Also, most Israelis between the ages of 18-21 are doing their mandatory military service, that in itself isn't a reason not to listen to them. Btw, military service is not unpaid; IDF soldiers receive a salary, though it's much lower than almost any market wage.
  - simion314 1y ago
    >I do what plenty of other HN users do - I use a 3rd party service that notifies me when someone replies to any of my posts. But do you get notified when I chat with Bob about Israel? Or get a notification when someone says something bad about Israel? OK, let me know why I am mistaken to name Israel killing civilian including children a war crime. Also explain why the recent war crime of killing red cross members (again) is not a war crime . The assholes denied it until video evidence was shown. (very , very shitty behaviour, the same like Ruzzian bots claiming the Azerbaijan airplane was downed by birds and still denying until today that it was Ruzzia). This is other clue to detect a paid bot, denies evidence until their Mistry pof Invazions confirm it with a spin why it was not them or it was a excusable .
    - edanm 1y ago
      > But do you get notified when I chat with Bob about Israel? Or get a notification when someone says something bad about Israel? No. I'm not trying to prove myself to you - I'm sure that someone is actively monitoring mentions of Israel, though I doubt the Israeli government particularly cares what happens on HN - it's fairly niche. I do sometimes search for mentions of Israel in HN search, sometimes including comments, but I don't do it that often. > OK, let me know why I am mistaken to name Israel killing civilian including children a war crime. I think any decent person mourns innocent people being killed, on either side. I personally also mourn for non-civilians being killed - it's not like Israeli soldiers trying to defend their country are people that should be killed, and it's not like most Hamas militants who (in their mind) are defending themselves from a foreign occupier deserve death either. I have far less sympathy for the leaders who know better. But to your question - killing civilian, both morally and in a legal sense, is not in general a war crime unless those civilians were directly targeted, or unless their targeting was disproportionate to valid military aims. Whatever you may think of Israel, Hamas has custom-designed their war to make it extremely difficult to rescue Israeli hostages, and extremely difficult to get to Hamas, without killing civilians. Btw, the more "evil" you think Israel is, the more evil and cynical this makes Hamas - since they knowingly protect themselves with the lives of the civilians under their care. So Israel killing civilians is not, in itself, proof of a war crime. It's a sad fact of reality that civilians die in war. Especially ones in which one side is exploiting their civilians to save themselves. That all said, there is no doubt that many war crimes have been committed. Some are documented and Israel has investigated them and taken steps to stop the people committing them. Some are swept under the rug. I imagine many are never reported. I don't think Israel is especially moral or especially immoral - this is just true of any war. > Also explain why the recent war crime of killing red cross members (again) is not a war crime . I don't have all the facts and neither do you. From what we've seen so far - it definitely seems like a war crime. I reserve judgement because I have some faith in the IDF - you rush to condemn Israel for the opposite reason, I imagine. I've also seen many stories turn out to be far more complicated after investigation than any immediate, attention-grabbing headline would suggest. In any case, I think this should be investigated and, if it was a war crime, for the perpetrators to be prosecuted.