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This applies to non-citizens only. In principle, the second generation should be fine

locopati 1y ago
i suspect you're joking here, but there are people who think this only applies to non-citizens and that they don't deserve due process. so this is for those people... they can just declare citizens as non-citizens with the same lack of due process and now we're all in the same boat.
drivingmenuts 1y ago
For how long will it apply only to non-citizens? Trump is trying to figure out a way to deport citizens. Admittedly, the citizens are actual criminals, but how long will it be possible not to be a criminal for one thing or another? It appears that disagreeing with the administration is enough for them to at least consider if they can do it.
- monkeyfun 1y ago
  So far they've already detained a lawyer who is an american citizen when he was reentering the country, and tried to grill him for inside information on cases he's actively working and people he knows. They eventually let him go, but they targeted him specifically and knew his name and significance, and he was defending one of the student protesters. They even called a "tactical terrorism response team". Oh, and check out how you can find them being used in already opaque and sinister ways back in 2021 under Biden, and earlier. You do the math.
nolok 1y ago
When talking about fundamental rights (like say, the freedom of speech or the freedom of religion or ...), I don't understand the thinking that only some people should have them based on some legal criteria. I'm talking out of my ass here but it feels like the kind of legacy that is carried by having stuff like slavery and the like where humans were not equals. I guess this is why in France we call those fundamental rights human rights and not citizens rights. My point being: I don't see how the difference you give provides anything other that than the ability to abuse some groups, I don't see any advantage from it.
foogazi 1y ago
can we trust this administration on principles ? Why risk prosecutorial discretion or judicial review when they pick the judges and are eager to set precedent, test theories What’s a visa, green card or naturalization certificate worth when they can make you disappear without consequence?

i suspect you're joking here, but there are people who think this only applies to non-citizens and that they don't deserve due process. so this is for those people... they can just declare citizens as non-citizens with the same lack of due process and now we're all in the same boat.

drivingmenuts 1y ago

For how long will it apply only to non-citizens? Trump is trying to figure out a way to deport citizens. Admittedly, the citizens are actual criminals, but how long will it be possible not to be a criminal for one thing or another? It appears that disagreeing with the administration is enough for them to at least consider if they can do it.

monkeyfun 1y ago
So far they've already detained a lawyer who is an american citizen when he was reentering the country, and tried to grill him for inside information on cases he's actively working and people he knows. They eventually let him go, but they targeted him specifically and knew his name and significance, and he was defending one of the student protesters. They even called a "tactical terrorism response team". Oh, and check out how you can find them being used in already opaque and sinister ways back in 2021 under Biden, and earlier. You do the math.

nolok 1y ago

When talking about fundamental rights (like say, the freedom of speech or the freedom of religion or ...), I don't understand the thinking that only some people should have them based on some legal criteria. I'm talking out of my ass here but it feels like the kind of legacy that is carried by having stuff like slavery and the like where humans were not equals. I guess this is why in France we call those fundamental rights human rights and not citizens rights. My point being: I don't see how the difference you give provides anything other that than the ability to abuse some groups, I don't see any advantage from it.

foogazi 1y ago

can we trust this administration on principles ? Why risk prosecutorial discretion or judicial review when they pick the judges and are eager to set precedent, test theories What’s a visa, green card or naturalization certificate worth when they can make you disappear without consequence?