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Reddit is full of paid trolls that will pile in huge number to kill any discussion that is percived against Israel, you can\t talk about the latest war crimes I

Reddit is full of paid trolls that will pile in huge number to kill any discussion that is percived against Israel, you can\t talk about the latest war crimes Israel is doing without a number of accounts piling on you, accusing you of fascism, racis, that you do not know history, that the articles are false and no childrens were murdered, if they were some children killed then for sure some terrorists were hidding there with the children etc. It is actually impossible to talk about this topic on reddit, I can shit on Putin and Ruzzians all day so it is clear Israel has more money invested in their cyber army then the Zeds.

edanm 2y ago
Out of curiosity - how do you know they are paid trolls and not just people with those views on this issue? Personally, I don't use Reddit much, but this is definitely not the sense I get from seeing reading e.g. Twitter, in which there are plenty of extremely anti-Israel voices. Remember - we're all seeing our own personal echo chamber of content.
- simion314 2y ago
  I assume people that are not paid have a bit of shame and they are also lazy and not work hard to justify why killing children is OK and also jump instantly a topic is posted, and also try to shut me up with accusation of being an anti-semite. There is also an easy but not perfect way to check, you look at the account age and post history. If you check a normal user account like mine you will see it ha many years long, that I post say on average 3 comments a day, some days nothing and maybe soem days more. That I also have low activity and different sections like Star trek, or some video game I was into at that time, or soem TV show, With paid accounts they are all very new, they all post on the same topic like defending Ruzzia or Israel, they are very active only on this topic. Also there is known that Ruzzia and Israel have paid cyber worriors so for sure they have scripts that will alert when something about their regime is posted and they worriors will pop up and repeat their propaganda to excuse the war crimes.
  - edanm 2y ago
    > I assume people that are not paid have a bit of shame and they are also lazy and not work hard to justify why killing children is OK In other words, you assume that people that disagree with you must be bots or paid trolls? That certainly explains why you think Reddit is full of them :) I will often write stuff that you would probably consider pro-Israeli. I'm not a troll and don't get paid for it. Do you simply dismiss anything I say because you assume I'm either a bot or a "Israeli paid cyber warrior"? That makes you wrong, and makes you unable to ever learn new things or new perspectives. (I'm not disputing, btw, that there are a lot of trolls. From my perspective, 90% of people posting anything about the conflict, including some major accounts, are absolutely trolls - they have no skin in the game and little real knowledge of the situation, and simply want to post provocative things, whether pro or anti, to get engagement.)
    - simion314 2y ago
      I give you a lot of clues on how to detect a bot I did not said that all people that disagree with me ar bots, for example I disagree with lot of MAGA uninformed people and they are not bots, I can see they are behaving like regular people. Read those hints again, is your account a f ew days old, do you only post about Israel? do you comments appear super fast in response to my comments like it was triggered by alarms? If those are yes then you are a bot, can't be 100% sure if you are paid, could be someone doing is mandatory unpaid military service.
      - edanm 2y ago
        > I give you a lot of clues on how to detect a bot I did not said that all people that disagree with me ar bots, You're putting a bunch of barriers between hearing someone else's opinion and accepting it as valid. > Read those hints again, is your account a f ew days old, do you only post about Israel? In my case, no and no. > do you comments appear super fast in response to my comments like it was triggered by alarms? I do what plenty of other HN users do - I use a 3rd party service that notifies me when someone replies to any of my posts. > can't be 100% sure if you are paid, could be someone doing is mandatory unpaid military service. Which is exactly the problem with your approach. You can write off anyone, including me, as "well they are actually being paid". How can I prove that I'm not? Also, most Israelis between the ages of 18-21 are doing their mandatory military service, that in itself isn't a reason not to listen to them. Btw, military service is not unpaid; IDF soldiers receive a salary, though it's much lower than almost any market wage.
- OhioMan2943 2y ago
  I don't use it too much, but I really recommend checking out the worldnews subreddit. Each story surrounding the me conflict is heavily curated, and the headline is chosen to minimise israeli culpability and direct discussion to other aspects. The comments are also overly vague and misdirecting, often focusing on different points and instantly tying in different issues which take a whole chain to address unpack, and then reorient towards the original discussion, even if having the guise of helpful discussion. You'll recognise it right away if you know what you're looking for. The most common comments used to drown out actual criticism of israel and how to address its actions are actually the "aren't you glad we didn't vote for biden because he was bad for palestine" type. They will often be 4-5 of the top comments. Similar tactics are sadly used when discussing the crimes of the attack by emphasising the vileness of the acts in detail (despite both groups having plenty, and the world knowing both) and twisting the knife to make it too painful for people to engage with the discussion to exhaust them. Let us not forget Israel has had a citizen driven hasbarah app which gives citizens "goals" (pre pasted propaganda messaged they are expected to post on their accounts) every morning to carry out online for over 7 years (reported by haaretz) https://youtu.be/iYzVOlcENZ4?si=IrN3FALmKVvIYkNJ https://youtu.be/iYzVOlcENZ4?si=IrN3FALmKVvIYkNJ I imagine it is much more discreet and efficient now.

edanm 2y ago

Out of curiosity - how do you know they are paid trolls and not just people with those views on this issue? Personally, I don't use Reddit much, but this is definitely not the sense I get from seeing reading e.g. Twitter, in which there are plenty of extremely anti-Israel voices. Remember - we're all seeing our own personal echo chamber of content.

simion314 2y ago
I assume people that are not paid have a bit of shame and they are also lazy and not work hard to justify why killing children is OK and also jump instantly a topic is posted, and also try to shut me up with accusation of being an anti-semite. There is also an easy but not perfect way to check, you look at the account age and post history. If you check a normal user account like mine you will see it ha many years long, that I post say on average 3 comments a day, some days nothing and maybe soem days more. That I also have low activity and different sections like Star trek, or some video game I was into at that time, or soem TV show, With paid accounts they are all very new, they all post on the same topic like defending Ruzzia or Israel, they are very active only on this topic. Also there is known that Ruzzia and Israel have paid cyber worriors so for sure they have scripts that will alert when something about their regime is posted and they worriors will pop up and repeat their propaganda to excuse the war crimes.
- edanm 2y ago
  > I assume people that are not paid have a bit of shame and they are also lazy and not work hard to justify why killing children is OK In other words, you assume that people that disagree with you must be bots or paid trolls? That certainly explains why you think Reddit is full of them :) I will often write stuff that you would probably consider pro-Israeli. I'm not a troll and don't get paid for it. Do you simply dismiss anything I say because you assume I'm either a bot or a "Israeli paid cyber warrior"? That makes you wrong, and makes you unable to ever learn new things or new perspectives. (I'm not disputing, btw, that there are a lot of trolls. From my perspective, 90% of people posting anything about the conflict, including some major accounts, are absolutely trolls - they have no skin in the game and little real knowledge of the situation, and simply want to post provocative things, whether pro or anti, to get engagement.)
  - simion314 2y ago
    I give you a lot of clues on how to detect a bot I did not said that all people that disagree with me ar bots, for example I disagree with lot of MAGA uninformed people and they are not bots, I can see they are behaving like regular people. Read those hints again, is your account a f ew days old, do you only post about Israel? do you comments appear super fast in response to my comments like it was triggered by alarms? If those are yes then you are a bot, can't be 100% sure if you are paid, could be someone doing is mandatory unpaid military service.
    - edanm 2y ago
      > I give you a lot of clues on how to detect a bot I did not said that all people that disagree with me ar bots, You're putting a bunch of barriers between hearing someone else's opinion and accepting it as valid. > Read those hints again, is your account a f ew days old, do you only post about Israel? In my case, no and no. > do you comments appear super fast in response to my comments like it was triggered by alarms? I do what plenty of other HN users do - I use a 3rd party service that notifies me when someone replies to any of my posts. > can't be 100% sure if you are paid, could be someone doing is mandatory unpaid military service. Which is exactly the problem with your approach. You can write off anyone, including me, as "well they are actually being paid". How can I prove that I'm not? Also, most Israelis between the ages of 18-21 are doing their mandatory military service, that in itself isn't a reason not to listen to them. Btw, military service is not unpaid; IDF soldiers receive a salary, though it's much lower than almost any market wage.
OhioMan2943 2y ago
I don't use it too much, but I really recommend checking out the worldnews subreddit. Each story surrounding the me conflict is heavily curated, and the headline is chosen to minimise israeli culpability and direct discussion to other aspects. The comments are also overly vague and misdirecting, often focusing on different points and instantly tying in different issues which take a whole chain to address unpack, and then reorient towards the original discussion, even if having the guise of helpful discussion. You'll recognise it right away if you know what you're looking for. The most common comments used to drown out actual criticism of israel and how to address its actions are actually the "aren't you glad we didn't vote for biden because he was bad for palestine" type. They will often be 4-5 of the top comments. Similar tactics are sadly used when discussing the crimes of the attack by emphasising the vileness of the acts in detail (despite both groups having plenty, and the world knowing both) and twisting the knife to make it too painful for people to engage with the discussion to exhaust them. Let us not forget Israel has had a citizen driven hasbarah app which gives citizens "goals" (pre pasted propaganda messaged they are expected to post on their accounts) every morning to carry out online for over 7 years (reported by haaretz) https://youtu.be/iYzVOlcENZ4?si=IrN3FALmKVvIYkNJ https://youtu.be/iYzVOlcENZ4?si=IrN3FALmKVvIYkNJ I imagine it is much more discreet and efficient now.