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Technically, they are the same. As in: people with power want to control the narrative. This was so, is so and will always be so, everywhere. But but but… det

Technically, they are the same. As in: people with power want to control the narrative. This was so, is so and will always be so, everywhere. But but but… details matter. A lot. The west has traditions how and when to apply power, which is distinctly different from Russia. I hand-pick two illustrations of Russia: 1. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/27/moscow-police-accused-of-raping-anti-draft-activist-a78899 https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/27/moscow-police-accu... > Officers “beat up Kamardin very badly and stuck a dumbbell in his anus,” according to Novaya Gazeta Europe. 2. Bald man claim to power was accompanies with mysterious explosions of apartment buildings after which Chechens were declared enemies and war started. Some interesting bits from wikipedia: > Three Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) agents who had planted the devices at Ryazan were arrested by the local police.[6] The next day, FSB director Nikolai Patrushev announced that the incident in Ryazan had been an anti-terror drill and the device found there contained only sugar, and freed the FSB agents involved.[7] And > 13 September 1999: Russian Duma speaker Gennadiy Seleznyov makes an announcement about the bombing of an apartment building in the city of Volgodonsk that only takes place three days later > 16 September 1999: Bombing in Volgodonsk, 17 are killed, 69 injured https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombings https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombi...

AlexGrothen 1y ago
>hand-picked cherry-picked, actually 1. Almost exactly the same incident happened in the USA, NYPD sodomized Michael Mineo: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prospect_Park_alleged_police_sodomy_incident https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prospect_Park_alleged_police... None of the NYPD officers didn't have any sentence for this 2. That's an old conspiracy theory, even the Russian opposition (at least the reasonable part of it) doesn't support this theory. There are plenty of publications about it in Russian, and if you will do some effort you will find why
- earnestinger 1y ago
  > Russian opposition Do you mean the guy who died relatively recently in Russian prison? Or his colleague who was part of prisoner exchange
- int_19h 1y ago
  Most of Russian opposition does support this theory. Many people do, in general. It's hard to call it a conspiracy theory when they literally caught a couple of FSB guys loading bags of explosives into an apartment building. The official version is that this was a "security training", but c'mon.
  - earnestinger 1y ago
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory > A conspiracy theory is an explanation for an event or situation that asserts the existence of a conspiracy (generally by powerful sinister groups, often political in motivation),[3][4][5] when other explanations are more probable. Evidently, different people assign different probability to security chief thinking “while real bombings are actually exploding each week and whole cities sleep outside to avoid death, let’s plant a fake bomb and see what happens”
    - int_19h 1y ago
      FWIW there was a public opinion poll by Levada back in 2002 about this. 6% said FSB did it, 37% said that there's no clear evidence but they could have done it, and 38% said that it's definitely not the feds.

AlexGrothen 1y ago

>hand-picked cherry-picked, actually 1. Almost exactly the same incident happened in the USA, NYPD sodomized Michael Mineo: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prospect_Park_alleged_police_sodomy_incident https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prospect_Park_alleged_police... None of the NYPD officers didn't have any sentence for this 2. That's an old conspiracy theory, even the Russian opposition (at least the reasonable part of it) doesn't support this theory. There are plenty of publications about it in Russian, and if you will do some effort you will find why

earnestinger 1y ago
> Russian opposition Do you mean the guy who died relatively recently in Russian prison? Or his colleague who was part of prisoner exchange
int_19h 1y ago
Most of Russian opposition does support this theory. Many people do, in general. It's hard to call it a conspiracy theory when they literally caught a couple of FSB guys loading bags of explosives into an apartment building. The official version is that this was a "security training", but c'mon.
- earnestinger 1y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory > A conspiracy theory is an explanation for an event or situation that asserts the existence of a conspiracy (generally by powerful sinister groups, often political in motivation),[3][4][5] when other explanations are more probable. Evidently, different people assign different probability to security chief thinking “while real bombings are actually exploding each week and whole cities sleep outside to avoid death, let’s plant a fake bomb and see what happens”
  - int_19h 1y ago
    FWIW there was a public opinion poll by Levada back in 2002 about this. 6% said FSB did it, 37% said that there's no clear evidence but they could have done it, and 38% said that it's definitely not the feds.