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Assuming you’re asking in good faith, I’ll try to answer. I have two core principles that motivate my beliefs about government policy regarding trans people. F

Assuming you’re asking in good faith, I’ll try to answer. I have two core principles that motivate my beliefs about government policy regarding trans people. First, I don’t fucking care which bathroom you use. It’s none of my goddamn business. It’s especially not the government’s business and the threat of state violence over this is insane. Second, human sexuality is not binary. That’s just an observable fact. Intersex people exist. There are undoubtedly people all over the spectrum in between. Finally and most importantly we should respect people’s dignity and right to self-determination. If you want to present as a woman or man, that is your right to decide and not mine

jalapenos 1y ago
I think that's fair that's your position, as that's how you feel towards those people and them going into the same bathroom as you despite being opposite sex. But why is it right that that position then be extended to be binding on third parties, like families with little girls who don't want growth men in their private spaces where they're getting changed, or to their daughters who want fair competition in their chosen sports?
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > families with little girls who don't want growth men in their private spaces where they're getting changed, or to their daughters who want fair competition in their chosen sports? They…can go somewhere else? Like, there are religions in which a man can’t sit next to a woman on a plane. That’s sort of on them to deal with. Not society.
  - jalapenos 1y ago
    I suppose that's the point - they were here first. So it's the radicals who should go somewhere else, and leave normal, mentally healthy people be.
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      > leave normal, mentally healthy people be We have reams of studies on the mental health of Swedes and Japanese, on one hand, and religiously-conservative Americans, on the other hand. The parents of kids freaking out about seeing a penis aren’t on the stable end.
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- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > worst of these is female prisoners being sexually assaulted, raped and even impregnated by male prisoners incarcerated in women's prisons Hold on, the people passing bills criminalising abortions to the victims of rape and incest, sending prisoners to El Salvador and generally acting indifferently to rape of all kinds in our prison system are suddenly morally outraged about this rare category of rape? The entire debate is motivated by creeps who can’t get their minds off other peoples’ bits and bedrooms. Let people make medical decisions with their doctors. And battle sexual violence in general, not just when it sets off the Carlsons’ multigenerational obsession with trans folk.
  - aaaja 1y ago
    I believe you have been misinformed. In fact, there are a number of distinct groups of people who, for fundamentally different reasons, oppose policy derived from gender identity ideological beliefs. In the case of policy that enabled incarcerated men to transfer to women's prisons, the opposition came first and foremost from radical feminist collectives, on the very clear principle of this being detrimental to women. Look at the Women's Liberation Front (WoLF) in particular. The Republican political machine only started to take a serious interest in this later on, when they realized this was an opportunity to attack the Democrats on unpopular and demonstrably harmful policy.
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jalapenos 1y ago

I think that's fair that's your position, as that's how you feel towards those people and them going into the same bathroom as you despite being opposite sex. But why is it right that that position then be extended to be binding on third parties, like families with little girls who don't want growth men in their private spaces where they're getting changed, or to their daughters who want fair competition in their chosen sports?

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> families with little girls who don't want growth men in their private spaces where they're getting changed, or to their daughters who want fair competition in their chosen sports? They…can go somewhere else? Like, there are religions in which a man can’t sit next to a woman on a plane. That’s sort of on them to deal with. Not society.
- jalapenos 1y ago
  I suppose that's the point - they were here first. So it's the radicals who should go somewhere else, and leave normal, mentally healthy people be.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > leave normal, mentally healthy people be We have reams of studies on the mental health of Swedes and Japanese, on one hand, and religiously-conservative Americans, on the other hand. The parents of kids freaking out about seeing a penis aren’t on the stable end.
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JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> worst of these is female prisoners being sexually assaulted, raped and even impregnated by male prisoners incarcerated in women's prisons Hold on, the people passing bills criminalising abortions to the victims of rape and incest, sending prisoners to El Salvador and generally acting indifferently to rape of all kinds in our prison system are suddenly morally outraged about this rare category of rape? The entire debate is motivated by creeps who can’t get their minds off other peoples’ bits and bedrooms. Let people make medical decisions with their doctors. And battle sexual violence in general, not just when it sets off the Carlsons’ multigenerational obsession with trans folk.
- aaaja 1y ago
  I believe you have been misinformed. In fact, there are a number of distinct groups of people who, for fundamentally different reasons, oppose policy derived from gender identity ideological beliefs. In the case of policy that enabled incarcerated men to transfer to women's prisons, the opposition came first and foremost from radical feminist collectives, on the very clear principle of this being detrimental to women. Look at the Women's Liberation Front (WoLF) in particular. The Republican political machine only started to take a serious interest in this later on, when they realized this was an opportunity to attack the Democrats on unpopular and demonstrably harmful policy.
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