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in the B2B SAAS world these are called "features" or "integrations". Software with the most integrations and features is usually ends up being the most preferr

by slt2021 2y ago

in the B2B SAAS world these are called "features" or "integrations". Software with the most integrations and features is usually ends up being the most preferred solution

pixelpoet 2y ago
If you asked someone what a "feature" is, in almost any context, they will probably give you the answer we all expect. If you ask someone what a "movement" is, they might well refer to the poop they had that morning, or Eurythmy (which I had as a subject at school!), or almost anything. That's not a statement about how basic language has become, but rather intentionally lofty vagueness (like "bespoke" instead of custom) people invent for things perfectly well described by expressions anyone can use like "high precision timekeeping", but not-so-subtly signaling a higher price.
- mlyle 2y ago
  The word "movement" for a watch movement is old. Ditto for "complication". Or "calibre". They come from the late 1700s and early 1800s. They were the normal words for the items described. They only sound fancy now that they have fallen into disuse. Actually, ditto for bespoke, now that you mention it.
  - pixelpoet 2y ago
    Real perspective shift from your comment, thanks! Reading more about usage of those terms now, but I still can't help but feel there's a deliberate "fancypants nonstandard language" signalling going on in the marketing of these "timepieces". There's an easy parallel to make with the audiophile industry, which uses all kinds of colourful but ultimately vacuous language.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > can't help but feel there's a deliberate "fancypants nonstandard language" signalling going on in the marketing of these "timepieces" You’re reverting to your priors despite evidence to the contrary.
      - mlyle 2y ago
        > You’re reverting to your priors despite evidence to the contrary. Eh, I don't think what he's saying now is unreasonable. Certainly no one feels a pressure to use a modern term that might have less perceived value-- to say "functions" or "features" instead of "complications." A big part of the product of a fancy watch, or a bespoke suit, is the traditions. When tradition or sounding fancy is opposed to accessibility, the former will win.
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > no one feels a pressure to use a modern term that might have less perceived value-- to say "functions" or "features" instead of "complications Methods in OOP. Every term in functional programming. Rolex does a little bit of the Apple game, renaming jargon. But the watch industry mostly uses the term the first person to use it deployed. (“Complications” makes more sense than “features” when working multilingual across French, German and Italian.) I’d also argue that “features” is a bit misleading. Complications aren’t about utility. They’re about art. It’s intentionally overcomplicating something.
        mlyle 2y ago
        > Complications aren’t about utility. They’re about art. It’s intentionally overcomplicating something. This is not the original usage; "complication" does not imply "grande complication." > ..."features"... None of your criticism applies to "functions" which is the first term used. > Methods in OOP. Every term in functional programming. Yes... I'm saying in a niche, luxury industry based upon exclusivity and tradition, the marketing pushes towards old, foreign, and exotic language. All these things in commodity digital watches are "modules" and "functions" instead of "calibre" and "complications." (With Apple, on the high end, choosing "complication" for some reason ;).
    - School-Cotton 2y ago
      What else would you call a watch movement? That’s just what it’s called, there’s no less fancy word for it.
- milesrout 2y ago
  This is a baffling criticism. Why would you expect a niche not to have its own jargon? Not that "bespoke" is (it is an older usage than "custom" and is used widely). >people invent for things perfectly well described by expressions anyone can use like "high precision timekeeping" What is "high precision"? Why are you using engineering jargon when you could say something simple like "accurate"? Why are you using such lofty elitist language?
  - microtherion 2y ago
    It's true that niches have their jargon, but I tend to be suspicious when the jargon makes its way into marketing pitches. It's one thing if your software vendor writes the software in Haskell, but if their pitch to you is that the software has 40 patent protected monads and is entirely dotless and lambda lifted, you're probably being taken for a ride.
Hamuko 2y ago
Yeah, I was just thinking that our B2B SaaS has been trying to churn out as many features and integrations as possible, with customers constantly wanting more and more.

in the B2B SAAS world these are called "features" or "integrations". Software with the most integrations and features is usually ends up being the most preferred solution

pixelpoet 2y ago

If you asked someone what a "feature" is, in almost any context, they will probably give you the answer we all expect. If you ask someone what a "movement" is, they might well refer to the poop they had that morning, or Eurythmy (which I had as a subject at school!), or almost anything. That's not a statement about how basic language has become, but rather intentionally lofty vagueness (like "bespoke" instead of custom) people invent for things perfectly well described by expressions anyone can use like "high precision timekeeping", but not-so-subtly signaling a higher price.

mlyle 2y ago
The word "movement" for a watch movement is old. Ditto for "complication". Or "calibre". They come from the late 1700s and early 1800s. They were the normal words for the items described. They only sound fancy now that they have fallen into disuse. Actually, ditto for bespoke, now that you mention it.
- pixelpoet 2y ago
  Real perspective shift from your comment, thanks! Reading more about usage of those terms now, but I still can't help but feel there's a deliberate "fancypants nonstandard language" signalling going on in the marketing of these "timepieces". There's an easy parallel to make with the audiophile industry, which uses all kinds of colourful but ultimately vacuous language.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > can't help but feel there's a deliberate "fancypants nonstandard language" signalling going on in the marketing of these "timepieces" You’re reverting to your priors despite evidence to the contrary.
    - mlyle 2y ago
      > You’re reverting to your priors despite evidence to the contrary. Eh, I don't think what he's saying now is unreasonable. Certainly no one feels a pressure to use a modern term that might have less perceived value-- to say "functions" or "features" instead of "complications." A big part of the product of a fancy watch, or a bespoke suit, is the traditions. When tradition or sounding fancy is opposed to accessibility, the former will win.
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > no one feels a pressure to use a modern term that might have less perceived value-- to say "functions" or "features" instead of "complications Methods in OOP. Every term in functional programming. Rolex does a little bit of the Apple game, renaming jargon. But the watch industry mostly uses the term the first person to use it deployed. (“Complications” makes more sense than “features” when working multilingual across French, German and Italian.) I’d also argue that “features” is a bit misleading. Complications aren’t about utility. They’re about art. It’s intentionally overcomplicating something.
        mlyle 2y ago
        > Complications aren’t about utility. They’re about art. It’s intentionally overcomplicating something. This is not the original usage; "complication" does not imply "grande complication." > ..."features"... None of your criticism applies to "functions" which is the first term used. > Methods in OOP. Every term in functional programming. Yes... I'm saying in a niche, luxury industry based upon exclusivity and tradition, the marketing pushes towards old, foreign, and exotic language. All these things in commodity digital watches are "modules" and "functions" instead of "calibre" and "complications." (With Apple, on the high end, choosing "complication" for some reason ;).
  - School-Cotton 2y ago
    What else would you call a watch movement? That’s just what it’s called, there’s no less fancy word for it.
milesrout 2y ago
This is a baffling criticism. Why would you expect a niche not to have its own jargon? Not that "bespoke" is (it is an older usage than "custom" and is used widely). >people invent for things perfectly well described by expressions anyone can use like "high precision timekeeping" What is "high precision"? Why are you using engineering jargon when you could say something simple like "accurate"? Why are you using such lofty elitist language?
- microtherion 2y ago
  It's true that niches have their jargon, but I tend to be suspicious when the jargon makes its way into marketing pitches. It's one thing if your software vendor writes the software in Haskell, but if their pitch to you is that the software has 40 patent protected monads and is entirely dotless and lambda lifted, you're probably being taken for a ride.

Hamuko 2y ago

Yeah, I was just thinking that our B2B SaaS has been trying to churn out as many features and integrations as possible, with customers constantly wanting more and more.