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> Adobe is the one major company trying to be ethical with its AI training data and no one seems to even care. It's sad that it's funny that you think Adobe is

by crest 1y ago

> Adobe is the one major company trying to be ethical with its AI training data and no one seems to even care. It's sad that it's funny that you think Adobe is motivated by ethical consideration.

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ngcazz 1y ago
Or that generative AI is ethical at all
- esalman 1y ago
  It's funny pg once compared hackers with painters, but given how people abuse crypto and generative AI, is seems hackers have more in common with thieves and robbers.
  - labster 1y ago
    Hollywood was right all along then about hackers being outlaws, then. Hacker News must be the very heart of the Dark Web (where “dark” is short for late-stage capitalism).
    - jordanb 1y ago
      > hackers being outlaws That gives them too much credit. "Outlaws" are folk heroes. Robin Hood was an outlaw, Bonnie and Clyde were outlaws. Luigi is an outlaw. Nobody's going to be telling fables about the exploits of Sam Altman.
      - econ 1y ago
        AI could do it. Seems a good use of it.
- int_19h 1y ago
  What exactly is unethical about generative AI, per se?
ahartmetz 1y ago
Probably want to look good to their customer base - artists
XorNot 1y ago
Where did the poster say they think Adobe is motivated by that? They said Adobe is operating that way.
jfengel 1y ago
They don't have to be motivated by ethics. I'm fine with them grudgingly doing ethical things because their customer base is all artists, many of whom would look for an alternative product.
- djeastm 1y ago
  You are fine with it, of course, because you're reasonable. But OP's claim was that Adobe is "trying to be ethical with its AI training data and no one seems to even care" as if we're meant to give special consideration to a company for doing the only economically sensible thing when most of its customers are artists.
  - ambicapter 1y ago
    The great thing about loudly painting Adobe with the brush of "ethical AI training" (regardless of why they're doing it) is that the backlash will exponentially bigger if/when they do something that betrays that label. Potentially big enough to make them reverse course. It's not much, but it's something.
  - nearbuy 1y ago
    You should be. Otherwise, you're showing Adobe and other companies that ethical training is pointless, and isn't economically sensible after all.
bolognafairy 1y ago
A strawman argument so you can condescendingly and snarkily lecture someone? I can see you were among those mouthing off at Adobe on Bluesky.
- CursedSilicon 1y ago
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- eloisius 1y ago
  “Mouthing off” is always uttered by someone with an undeserved sense of authority over the other party, like a mall cop yelling at a teenager for skateboarding

by crest 1y ago

> Adobe is the one major company trying to be ethical with its AI training data and no one seems to even care. It's sad that it's funny that you think Adobe is motivated by ethical consideration.

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ngcazz 1y ago

Or that generative AI is ethical at all

esalman 1y ago
It's funny pg once compared hackers with painters, but given how people abuse crypto and generative AI, is seems hackers have more in common with thieves and robbers.
- labster 1y ago
  Hollywood was right all along then about hackers being outlaws, then. Hacker News must be the very heart of the Dark Web (where “dark” is short for late-stage capitalism).
  - jordanb 1y ago
    > hackers being outlaws That gives them too much credit. "Outlaws" are folk heroes. Robin Hood was an outlaw, Bonnie and Clyde were outlaws. Luigi is an outlaw. Nobody's going to be telling fables about the exploits of Sam Altman.
    - econ 1y ago
      AI could do it. Seems a good use of it.
int_19h 1y ago
What exactly is unethical about generative AI, per se?

ahartmetz 1y ago

Probably want to look good to their customer base - artists

XorNot 1y ago

Where did the poster say they think Adobe is motivated by that? They said Adobe is operating that way.

jfengel 1y ago

They don't have to be motivated by ethics. I'm fine with them grudgingly doing ethical things because their customer base is all artists, many of whom would look for an alternative product.

djeastm 1y ago
You are fine with it, of course, because you're reasonable. But OP's claim was that Adobe is "trying to be ethical with its AI training data and no one seems to even care" as if we're meant to give special consideration to a company for doing the only economically sensible thing when most of its customers are artists.
- ambicapter 1y ago
  The great thing about loudly painting Adobe with the brush of "ethical AI training" (regardless of why they're doing it) is that the backlash will exponentially bigger if/when they do something that betrays that label. Potentially big enough to make them reverse course. It's not much, but it's something.
- nearbuy 1y ago
  You should be. Otherwise, you're showing Adobe and other companies that ethical training is pointless, and isn't economically sensible after all.

bolognafairy 1y ago

A strawman argument so you can condescendingly and snarkily lecture someone? I can see you were among those mouthing off at Adobe on Bluesky.

CursedSilicon 1y ago
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eloisius 1y ago
“Mouthing off” is always uttered by someone with an undeserved sense of authority over the other party, like a mall cop yelling at a teenager for skateboarding