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Russia doesn’t just put people in jail for speaking against the government. They weaponise the generational fear of being disappeared by the government. This is

Russia doesn’t just put people in jail for speaking against the government. They weaponise the generational fear of being disappeared by the government. This is not close to what happens in America where you can post anything anywhere and if Facebook deletes it you can always make your own website about it. If you did this in Russia you go to jail. Even if you say things like “it is sad Ukrainian children die in children’s day in Russia” you go to jail. I don’t think you can compare modern USA with modern Russia in this way. USA does plenty of other things that are bad like jailing so many people for petty crimes without pushing much on speech. USA has its own problems and all these comparisons only hide them.

spencerflem 2y ago
They are now denying visas, and deporting lawful residents, sending them to offshore torture prisons, for social media posts. For non citizens, regardless of length of time or legality, this is the case right now. For birthright citizens and full citizens it will be the case very soon
- jwr 2y ago
  > birthright citizens and full citizens Is there a difference?
  - SauciestGNU 2y ago
    No, I think they meant "naturalized and birthright citizens".
  - spencerflem 2y ago
    They are intending to unconstitutionally remove birthright. I expect they will start having trouble slightly before third generation+ immigrants.
    - jwr 2y ago
      But… they can't remove citizenship retroactively. What I mean is today there are citizens and non-citizens, but there are no classes of citizens. Either you have citizenship or you do not, it doesn't matter how you acquired it.
      - deleted 2y ago
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      - spencerflem 2y ago
        That's their plan though :c So far a judge has blocked it when he tried the first time https://www.npr.org/2025/01/23/nx-s1-5270572/birthright-citizenship-trump-executive-order https://www.npr.org/2025/01/23/nx-s1-5270572/birthright-citi...
        jwr 2y ago
        I read this article (and others) and I am still unclear. I thought this whole idiotic crusade applied only to newly born children. It never even crossed my mind that you could revoke citizenship from your citizens. I mean, the principle of non-retroactivity dates back to the Roman Empire.
      - pgkr 2y ago
        Here are recent attempts to create a stratified class system among citizens based on how they became citizens: https://www.mediamatters.org/immigration/right-wing-media-campaign-denaturalize-and-deport-american-citizens https://www.mediamatters.org/immigration/right-wing-media-ca...
- Ray20 2y ago
  I think it's disgusting hypocrisy. We're talking about the USA, aren't we? A country that has started many, many wars, a country that massacred innocent Vietnamese, Afghans, Iraqis. Even at this very moment, the US is participating in the killing of honest, decent, innocent Palestinians and Russians. But that's okay, not worth mentioning. But deporting lawful residents? How dare you, America? This is definitely the beginning of the end.
  - spencerflem 2y ago
    I hate all that too, the people they're deporting are the ones protesting to stop an ongoing US genocide, it's all connected.
  - BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago
    Well yeah we’re bad and getting much worse
cma 2y ago
They are sending people to a concentration camp without any due process.

spencerflem 2y ago

They are now denying visas, and deporting lawful residents, sending them to offshore torture prisons, for social media posts. For non citizens, regardless of length of time or legality, this is the case right now. For birthright citizens and full citizens it will be the case very soon

jwr 2y ago
> birthright citizens and full citizens Is there a difference?
- SauciestGNU 2y ago
  No, I think they meant "naturalized and birthright citizens".
- spencerflem 2y ago
  They are intending to unconstitutionally remove birthright. I expect they will start having trouble slightly before third generation+ immigrants.
  - jwr 2y ago
    But… they can't remove citizenship retroactively. What I mean is today there are citizens and non-citizens, but there are no classes of citizens. Either you have citizenship or you do not, it doesn't matter how you acquired it.
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - spencerflem 2y ago
      That's their plan though :c So far a judge has blocked it when he tried the first time https://www.npr.org/2025/01/23/nx-s1-5270572/birthright-citizenship-trump-executive-order https://www.npr.org/2025/01/23/nx-s1-5270572/birthright-citi...
      - jwr 2y ago
        I read this article (and others) and I am still unclear. I thought this whole idiotic crusade applied only to newly born children. It never even crossed my mind that you could revoke citizenship from your citizens. I mean, the principle of non-retroactivity dates back to the Roman Empire.
    - pgkr 2y ago
      Here are recent attempts to create a stratified class system among citizens based on how they became citizens: https://www.mediamatters.org/immigration/right-wing-media-campaign-denaturalize-and-deport-american-citizens https://www.mediamatters.org/immigration/right-wing-media-ca...
Ray20 2y ago
I think it's disgusting hypocrisy. We're talking about the USA, aren't we? A country that has started many, many wars, a country that massacred innocent Vietnamese, Afghans, Iraqis. Even at this very moment, the US is participating in the killing of honest, decent, innocent Palestinians and Russians. But that's okay, not worth mentioning. But deporting lawful residents? How dare you, America? This is definitely the beginning of the end.
- spencerflem 2y ago
  I hate all that too, the people they're deporting are the ones protesting to stop an ongoing US genocide, it's all connected.
- BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago
  Well yeah we’re bad and getting much worse

cma 2y ago

They are sending people to a concentration camp without any due process.