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It happens to be the case that he's not a citizen or claiming to be a citizen, but he wasn't given due process, and there's absolutely nothing stopping them fro

• billfor 2y ago
  Do they? We generally don’t give noncitizens the right to own a gun in the us, so clearly we are selective about applying the 2nd amendment protection. The 4th may need adjudication.
  • empath75 2y ago
    Permanent residents have the right to own a gun in the US. The supreme court has upheld many many times that the fourth amendment applies to all people within the borders of the US.
    • NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
      And just what process is due a person under risk of deportation? People say "due process" quite often without even giving any thought to what the term means, and I doubt that 1 in 4 could give a casual definition. One might think that the only process due to such a person would be the opportunity to contest that they were a citizen and to provide evidence to that claim. Was he denied this? Did they slap a muzzle on him as he tried to scream "but my birth certificate's in the sock drawer, just take a look!"? If the agents who detained and deported him ran any sort of check that would have discovered his citizenship in time to prevent a deportation (had he been a citizen), this seems about all the process that could or should be due. PS Am I the only one that notices how the news media always describes him as "from Maryland" when he wasn't born there, didn't attend school there, etc?
      • KingMob 2y ago
        > the only process due to such a person would be the opportunity to contest that they were a citizen and to provide evidence to that claim They should have the due process to prove they are here legally. And yes, they were denied that. Even if you imagine due process is for citizens only, you can't prove citizenship status without due process, so it has to be given to everyone. Otherwise, nothing's stopping ICE from just claiming you're not a citizen and shipping you off to El Salvador. How would you prove otherwise?
        • NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
          > They should have the due process to prove they are here legally. This sounds like a nonsense statement. Non-citizens are only ever here legally at the pleasure of the United States. If we allow them in for 2 weeks, or 3 months, or whatever on a visa... we can change our minds and cancel it early. The idea that they can have some absolute temporary right to be here ignores what it means to be a non-citizen. You have no right to be here, just a temporary privilege that can be revoked at any point for entirely arbitrary reasons. >And yes, they were denied that. I've heard no evidence that this was the case. "Due process" rights are, in many cases administrative. No trial, no judge. >Even if you imagine due process is for citizens only, I did not say this, and I do not imagine it. I just happen to know what due process rights actually are. >you can't prove citizenship status without due process, Was he denied his opportunity to prove citizenship to the agents who detained him? Did he try to get them to look in his wallet for papers, but they ignored that? Did he beg them to just look in his closet and see his birth certificate? That would be denial of due process. >Otherwise, nothing's stopping ICE from just claiming you're not a citizen So you claim. But it's absurd to think that will happen. If you believe it will happen, then just wait and sound the alarm when it does. I'll be genuinely surprised.
          • wqaatwt 2y ago
            > . But it's absurd to think that will happen Really? The things that are happening now are so absurdly insane that nobody could have imagined them just a few years ago, and you are still gullible enough to say something as silly like that... > sound the alarm when it does The loons will just move the goalposts yet again. So what would that achieve?
    • int_19h 2y ago
      Not just permanent residents, either. I have legally owned numerous firearms while on L1 and H1B visas in US.