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Exactly. China demands Apple Maps be ran on Chinese servers by Chinese workers. I would expect current U.S. administration to be frustrated with these imbalance

by bradly 2y ago

Exactly. China demands Apple Maps be ran on Chinese servers by Chinese workers. I would expect current U.S. administration to be frustrated with these imbalances as surveillance state measures increase. These imbalances were less important when there was less interest in information and truth suppression.

bradlys 2y ago
At least for all the surveillance the Chinese do - the standard of life is improving overall. We don't even get that shit here in the US. Our life just gets worse by practically every measure as the years go on and we're taken advantage of on top of it.
- cj 2y ago
  What benchmark are you using for standard of life?
  - DaSHacka 2y ago
    Number of citizens reeducated, I presume.
    - Viliam1234 2y ago
      More organs harvested from political prisoners.
      - bradlys 2y ago
        Ah yes, the US known for putting people in prisons where we use techniques the Nazis developed as part of our “enhanced interrogation”. USA is totally way better than China here!
        econ 2y ago
        Comparing apples to oranges works surprisingly well if they are rotten enough? 50th vs 70th https://index.goodcountry.org/ https://index.goodcountry.org/ Both the US and China score surprisingly bad on everything listed here. I do prefer the way janalsncm described quality of life. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43659542 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43659542 Is there an index for those some place?
  - bradlys 2y ago
    At the very least, wages for the average citizen. It’s not perfect but at least there’s movement towards building something. What is the US building towards? Enriching billionaires?
    - tempodox 2y ago
      “AI” avatars. Totally gonna make the world a better place. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43626707 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43626707
  - janalsncm 2y ago
    There’s probably not one single benchmark (and I won’t say that all of them are negative in the US) but we can just think generally about the things we’d like in a good life: Life expectancy. Chronic disease rates. Suicide rates. Depression rates. Violent crime rates. Marriage rates. Home ownership rates. Education rates. Debt rates. Labor participation rates. Wealth inequity. No one metric is a complete picture but together they tell a story. If America was a product and the above was on a dashboard, you would fire the CEO.
    - fma 2y ago
      Anyone who has visited China 25 years ago, and visited today, wouldn't argue that quality of life has not improved as a whole. As for America, it is very debatable. FWIW, the dashboard idea...was on the 2020 Presidential Candidate. Andrew Yang's platform.
    - corimaith 2y ago
      70% of these metrics are solved in China (or most places in Asia) through methods that most people in this thread would be vehemently against. You can put the mentally-ill back into sanatoriums, enforce quick and draconian response to petty crime, and pay an economic underclass a pittance to clean your streets if you wish. Unfortunately for Americans, it's not the CEO at fault here actually, it's the middle class and left-leaning/progressive that are directly responsible for many of the problems here. The funny thing is that Republican Party being in complete power with Trump would be more similar to the CCP than the Democrats or Progressives. Suppressing dissenting voices like Pro-Palestine in order to force national homogenity is a big part of that. And I say this as someone who supported Biden and Kamala, but these left-wingers or libertarians who are so vehemtly opposed to the US Gov but then simp for China are just being childishly incoherent.
      - janalsncm 2y ago
        > enforce quick and draconian response to petty crime In the Bay Area the median response to petty crime is zero consequences for the criminal. This is because in practice criminals are not caught or punished. If the cost of having laws enforced is that we need better surveillance (read: more security cameras) then guess what? We are already heavily surveilled.
  - nashashmi 2y ago
    Homeless population
  - arbitrary_name 2y ago
    Years of salary to purchase home. Life expectancy. Obesity rates. Overall life satisfaction surveys. Loneliness rates. Suicide rate. I could go on.
bognition 2y ago
Where do you think the servers that power TikTok in the United States are? Who do you think administers those servers?
- bradly 2y ago
  I have no idea. I worked on the team at Apple that deployed Apple Maps across the globe and China was very different than other countries. South Korea had some interesting requirements as well. I've not worked on that team at TikTok and wouldn't expect the knowledge of the exact requirements to be shared publicly.

by bradly 2y ago

bradlys 2y ago

At least for all the surveillance the Chinese do - the standard of life is improving overall. We don't even get that shit here in the US. Our life just gets worse by practically every measure as the years go on and we're taken advantage of on top of it.

cj 2y ago
What benchmark are you using for standard of life?
- DaSHacka 2y ago
  Number of citizens reeducated, I presume.
  - Viliam1234 2y ago
    More organs harvested from political prisoners.
    - bradlys 2y ago
      Ah yes, the US known for putting people in prisons where we use techniques the Nazis developed as part of our “enhanced interrogation”. USA is totally way better than China here!
      - econ 2y ago
        Comparing apples to oranges works surprisingly well if they are rotten enough? 50th vs 70th https://index.goodcountry.org/ https://index.goodcountry.org/ Both the US and China score surprisingly bad on everything listed here. I do prefer the way janalsncm described quality of life. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43659542 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43659542 Is there an index for those some place?
- bradlys 2y ago
  At the very least, wages for the average citizen. It’s not perfect but at least there’s movement towards building something. What is the US building towards? Enriching billionaires?
  - tempodox 2y ago
    “AI” avatars. Totally gonna make the world a better place. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43626707 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43626707
- janalsncm 2y ago
  There’s probably not one single benchmark (and I won’t say that all of them are negative in the US) but we can just think generally about the things we’d like in a good life: Life expectancy. Chronic disease rates. Suicide rates. Depression rates. Violent crime rates. Marriage rates. Home ownership rates. Education rates. Debt rates. Labor participation rates. Wealth inequity. No one metric is a complete picture but together they tell a story. If America was a product and the above was on a dashboard, you would fire the CEO.
  - fma 2y ago
    Anyone who has visited China 25 years ago, and visited today, wouldn't argue that quality of life has not improved as a whole. As for America, it is very debatable. FWIW, the dashboard idea...was on the 2020 Presidential Candidate. Andrew Yang's platform.
  - corimaith 2y ago
    70% of these metrics are solved in China (or most places in Asia) through methods that most people in this thread would be vehemently against. You can put the mentally-ill back into sanatoriums, enforce quick and draconian response to petty crime, and pay an economic underclass a pittance to clean your streets if you wish. Unfortunately for Americans, it's not the CEO at fault here actually, it's the middle class and left-leaning/progressive that are directly responsible for many of the problems here. The funny thing is that Republican Party being in complete power with Trump would be more similar to the CCP than the Democrats or Progressives. Suppressing dissenting voices like Pro-Palestine in order to force national homogenity is a big part of that. And I say this as someone who supported Biden and Kamala, but these left-wingers or libertarians who are so vehemtly opposed to the US Gov but then simp for China are just being childishly incoherent.
    - janalsncm 2y ago
      > enforce quick and draconian response to petty crime In the Bay Area the median response to petty crime is zero consequences for the criminal. This is because in practice criminals are not caught or punished. If the cost of having laws enforced is that we need better surveillance (read: more security cameras) then guess what? We are already heavily surveilled.
- nashashmi 2y ago
  Homeless population
- arbitrary_name 2y ago
  Years of salary to purchase home. Life expectancy. Obesity rates. Overall life satisfaction surveys. Loneliness rates. Suicide rate. I could go on.

bognition 2y ago

Where do you think the servers that power TikTok in the United States are? Who do you think administers those servers?

bradly 2y ago
I have no idea. I worked on the team at Apple that deployed Apple Maps across the globe and China was very different than other countries. South Korea had some interesting requirements as well. I've not worked on that team at TikTok and wouldn't expect the knowledge of the exact requirements to be shared publicly.