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Chris Krebs just yesterday had his security clearance revoked solely for saying the 2020 election was fair and not rigged. His coworkers at SentinelOne (almost

by maeil 1y ago

Chris Krebs just yesterday had his security clearance revoked solely for saying the 2020 election was fair and not rigged. His coworkers at SentinelOne (almost certainly most of who are citizens) also had their clearances revoked, despite never speaking out on the topic, purely as a North Korea style "punish the whole family" approach to strike fear into people of guilt by association, so that those who have spoken out in any shape or form become social pariahs. Citizens having their career taken away for saying an election wasn't rigged, or for happening to work at the same place as someone who said this. If you think the status quo hasn't yet changed to "In countries like China, Russia and the US, speaking out against the government puts both your livelihood and that of those in your vicinity at serious risk", you're dead wrong.

wtf_is_this 1y ago
In case anyone is curious about this (as I was) here's an article: https://www.csoonline.com/article/3958808/trump-revokes-security-clearances-for-chris-krebs-sentinelone-in-problematic-precedent-for-security-vendors.html https://www.csoonline.com/article/3958808/trump-revokes-secu...
- OrvalWintermute 1y ago
  There are many reasons to question Krebs’ tenure and not all of them have to do with ignoring the state of election security, The Disinformation regime, viewpoint discrimination, or election interference. There is a list of things
  - nobunaga 1y ago
    And what are they? Because unlike you, Chris has a very well known, positive, respected reputation in the industry. Instead of just making accusations, back them up.
    - OrvalWintermute 1y ago
      I’m not doxxing myself. However many of my issues with CISA are based on my own professional work in security, and that of accomplished professors like J Halderman & M Blaze saying our election infrastructure is insecure. We’ve been saying the same thing in hackerdom for 30 years! If my career has been completely about the security of federal & military systems, then some lawyer like Krebs saying our infrastructure is secure when it’s running Windows 7 is a giant slap in the face, particularly given all of the censorship. You wanted evidence. Here goes: The censorship & viewpoint discrimination pressure CISA was bringing to bear has been over the top. At the same time Krebs was talking about how secure our election infrastructure was, prominent professors such as Matt Blaze & J Halderman that have researched election security said the opposite. This historically has been a bipartisan& Aceademic issue with more Dems & Repubs & Academia supporting claims of insecurity. Those of us in security are convinced that all this unpatched windows7 usage is crazy and Chris Krebs lying about election security isn’t being open and truthful with the American people. https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-judiciary.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/cisa-staff-report6-26-23.pdf https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-j... - The Associated Press reported in 2019 on the use of vulnerable Windows 7 software in election systems, highlighting risks in swing states. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/new-election-systems-use-vulnerable-software[](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/new-election-systems-use-vulnerable-software) https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/new-election-systems-u... - NBC News revealed in 2020 that ES&S installed modems in voting machines, making them susceptible to hacking. [Note: The exact NBC News article from January 2020 titled "Voting Machines Vulnerable to Hacking Due to Modems" is not directly linked in the web results, but this matches the description in the thread. The full URL is not available in the provided web results, and I cannot search for it in real-time. You may need to look up the NBC News article from January 2020 for the precise link.] - The Guardian exposed in 2015 that WinVote machines used weak passwords like "abcde," easily hackable from a distance. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/15/virginia-voting-machines-password-hack-security[](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/15/virginia-hacking-voting-machines-security) https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/15/virginia-vot... - The New York Times reported in 2015 on a leaked database of 191 million voter records, raising concerns about phishing and identity theft. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/us/politics/voting-records-released-privacy-concerns.html[](https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/us/politics/voting-records-released-privacy-concerns.html) https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/us/politics/voting-record... - Wired noted in 2016 that many voting machines ran on outdated Windows XP, lacking security patches since 2014. https://www.wired.com/2016/08/americas-voting-machines-arent-ready-election/ https://www.wired.com/2016/08/americas-voting-machines-arent... - Politico detailed in 2016 how a voting machine was hacked in minutes by replacing ROM chips with malicious firmware. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/08/2016-elections-russia-hack-how-to-hack-an-election-in-seven-minutes-214144/ https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/08/2016-electio... - CBS reported in 2016 that hackers demonstrated voting machine vulnerabilities, showing a $15 hack could alter votes. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hacker-demonstrates-how-voting-machines-can-be-compromised/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hacker-demonstrates-how-voting-... - ABC News confirmed in 2016 that voting machines can be hacked, especially in close elections, with malware erasing itself post-attack. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hack-election-experts-russia/story?id=41548692 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hack-election-experts-russia... - The Atlantic warned in 2016 about electronic voting risks, citing a case where a machine was turned into a Pac-Man console. https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/08/electronic-voting-undermine-election/497588/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/08/elect... - FOX News covered a 2016 demonstration by a Princeton professor hacking a voting machine to shift votes undetected. https://www.foxnews.com/video/5126932108001 https://www.foxnews.com/video/5126932108001 - Fortune reported in 2016 that Cylance researchers hacked a Sequoia AVC Edge machine, altering vote counts via a memory card. https://fortune.com/2016/11/04/voting-machine-hack-demonstration/ https://fortune.com/2016/11/04/voting-machine-hack-demonstra... - Vox highlighted in 2016 that voting machines on Windows XP and voter databases online were vulnerable to hacking. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/7/134 https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/7/134 educed/hackers-election-day-voting-machines - PBS noted in 2016 that five states used digital voting systems without paper trails, increasing hacking risks. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/heres-how-hackers-might-mess-with-electronic-voting-on-election-day https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/heres-how-hackers-migh... - Slate reported in 2016 that 42 states used decade-old voting machines, prone to hacking and lacking paper trails. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/11/our-decrepit-voting-machines-are-a-disaster-waiting-to-happen.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/11/our-decrepit-vot... - PBS revealed in 2016 that Pennsylvania's paperless machines made it impossible to verify vote tampering. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/recounts-no-u-s-elections-still-vulnerable-hacking https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/recounts-no-u-s-electi... - Politico warned in 2016 that 15 states, including Pennsylvania, used electronic voting machines without paper trails. https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/us-elections-hacking-vulnerabilities-232989 https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/us-elections-hacking-... - Scientific American stated in 2017 that voting systems could be hacked by foreign powers, advocating for paper ballots. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/our-voting-system-is-hackable-by-foreign-powers/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/our-voting-system... - Politico reported in 2017 on a Georgia election center's server misconfiguration, exposing voter data and passwords. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/14/will-the-georgia-special-election-get-hacked-215255/ https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/14/will-the-... - NPR cited a 2017 NSA report on Russian attempts to hack election systems, potentially targeting ballot programming. https://www.npr.org/2017/06/14/532824838/if-voting-machines-were-hacked-would-anyone-know https://www.npr.org/2017/06/14/532824838/if-voting-machines-... - HuffPost noted in 2017 that 15 states used hackable touch-screen voting machines without paper trails. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/voting-machines-hackable_n_5960f574e4b07b5e1d4f2e5e https://www.huffpost.com/entry/voting-machines-hackable_n_59... - Senator Elizabeth Warren's 2019 article highlighted vulnerabilities like outdated voter databases and paperless machines. https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/strengthening-our-democracy https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/strengthening-our-democrac... - Senators Warren, Klobuchar, Wyden, and Pocan sent letters in 2019 to voting machine companies about security concerns. [Note: The direct link to the letters is not provided in the web results. These letters were sent to the private equity firms owning voting machine companies, as noted in the thread. You may need to search for "Warren Klobuchar Wyden Pocan voting machine letters 2019" to find the original source, possibly on a government or senator's website.] - A 2019 compilation of media articles detailed election system vulnerabilities over four years post-2016 election. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/new-election-systems-use-vulnerable-software https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/new-election-syste...
  - arunabha 1y ago
    Ending the statement with 'There is a list of things' and not providing it strongly suggests that you don't actually have any data or hard facts to back up your claims. You are a random person on an internet forum, the onus is in you to provide data to back up incredible claims.
    - OrvalWintermute 1y ago
      Ok The censorship & viewpoint discrimination pressure CISA was bringing to bear has been over the top. At the same time Krebs was talking about how secure our election infrastructure was, prominent professors such as Matt Blaze & J Halderman that have researched election security said the opposite. This historically has been a bipartisan& Aceademic issue with more Dems & Repubs & Academia supporting claims of insecurity. Those of us in security are convinced that all this unpatched windows7 usage is crazy and Chris Krebs lying about election security isn’t being open and truthful with the American people. https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-judiciary.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/cisa-staff-report6-26-23.pdf https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-j... - The Associated Press reported in 2019 on the use of vulnerable Windows 7 software in election systems, highlighting risks in swing states. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/new-election-systems-use-vulnerable-software[](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/new-election-systems-use-vulnerable-software) https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/new-election-systems-u... - NBC News revealed in 2020 that ES&S installed modems in voting machines, making them susceptible to hacking. [Note: The exact NBC News article from January 2020 titled "Voting Machines Vulnerable to Hacking Due to Modems" is not directly linked in the web results, but this matches the description in the thread. The full URL is not available in the provided web results, and I cannot search for it in real-time. You may need to look up the NBC News article from January 2020 for the precise link.] - The Guardian exposed in 2015 that WinVote machines used weak passwords like "abcde," easily hackable from a distance. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/15/virginia-voting-machines-password-hack-security[](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/15/virginia-hacking-voting-machines-security) https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/15/virginia-vot... - The New York Times reported in 2015 on a leaked database of 191 million voter records, raising concerns about phishing and identity theft. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/us/politics/voting-records-released-privacy-concerns.html[](https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/us/politics/voting-records-released-privacy-concerns.html) https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/us/politics/voting-record... - Wired noted in 2016 that many voting machines ran on outdated Windows XP, lacking security patches since 2014. https://www.wired.com/2016/08/americas-voting-machines-arent-ready-election/ https://www.wired.com/2016/08/americas-voting-machines-arent... - Politico detailed in 2016 how a voting machine was hacked in minutes by replacing ROM chips with malicious firmware. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/08/2016-elections-russia-hack-how-to-hack-an-election-in-seven-minutes-214144/ https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/08/2016-electio... - CBS reported in 2016 that hackers demonstrated voting machine vulnerabilities, showing a $15 hack could alter votes. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hacker-demonstrates-how-voting-machines-can-be-compromised/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hacker-demonstrates-how-voting-... - ABC News confirmed in 2016 that voting machines can be hacked, especially in close elections, with malware erasing itself post-attack. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hack-election-experts-russia/story?id=41548692 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hack-election-experts-russia... - The Atlantic warned in 2016 about electronic voting risks, citing a case where a machine was turned into a Pac-Man console. https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/08/electronic-voting-undermine-election/497588/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/08/elect... - FOX News covered a 2016 demonstration by a Princeton professor hacking a voting machine to shift votes undetected. https://www.foxnews.com/video/5126932108001 https://www.foxnews.com/video/5126932108001 - Fortune reported in 2016 that Cylance researchers hacked a Sequoia AVC Edge machine, altering vote counts via a memory card. https://fortune.com/2016/11/04/voting-machine-hack-demonstration/ https://fortune.com/2016/11/04/voting-machine-hack-demonstra... - Vox highlighted in 2016 that voting machines on Windows XP and voter databases online were vulnerable to hacking. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/7/134 https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/7/134 educed/hackers-election-day-voting-machines - PBS noted in 2016 that five states used digital voting systems without paper trails, increasing hacking risks. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/heres-how-hackers-might-mess-with-electronic-voting-on-election-day https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/heres-how-hackers-migh... - Slate reported in 2016 that 42 states used decade-old voting machines, prone to hacking and lacking paper trails. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/11/our-decrepit-voting-machines-are-a-disaster-waiting-to-happen.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/11/our-decrepit-vot... - PBS revealed in 2016 that Pennsylvania's paperless machines made it impossible to verify vote tampering. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/recounts-no-u-s-elections-still-vulnerable-hacking https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/recounts-no-u-s-electi... - Politico warned in 2016 that 15 states, including Pennsylvania, used electronic voting machines without paper trails. https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/us-elections-hacking-vulnerabilities-232989 https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/us-elections-hacking-... - Scientific American stated in 2017 that voting systems could be hacked by foreign powers, advocating for paper ballots. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/our-voting-system-is-hackable-by-foreign-powers/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/our-voting-system... - Politico reported in 2017 on a Georgia election center's server misconfiguration, exposing voter data and passwords. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/14/will-the-georgia-special-election-get-hacked-215255/ https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/14/will-the-... - NPR cited a 2017 NSA report on Russian attempts to hack election systems, potentially targeting ballot programming. https://www.npr.org/2017/06/14/532824838/if-voting-machines-were-hacked-would-anyone-know https://www.npr.org/2017/06/14/532824838/if-voting-machines-... - HuffPost noted in 2017 that 15 states used hackable touch-screen voting machines without paper trails. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/voting-machines-hackable_n_5960f574e4b07b5e1d4f2e5e https://www.huffpost.com/entry/voting-machines-hackable_n_59... - Senator Elizabeth Warren's 2019 article highlighted vulnerabilities like outdated voter databases and paperless machines. https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/strengthening-our-democracy https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/strengthening-our-democrac... - Senators Warren, Klobuchar, Wyden, and Pocan sent letters in 2019 to voting machine companies about security concerns. [Note: The direct link to the letters is not provided in the web results. These letters were sent to the private equity firms owning voting machine companies, as noted in the thread. You may need to search for "Warren Klobuchar Wyden Pocan voting machine letters 2019" to find the original source, possibly on a government or senator's website.] - A 2019 compilation of media articles detailed election system vulnerabilities over four years post-2016 election. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/new-election-systems-use-vulnerable-software https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/new-election-syste...
esafak 1y ago
Maybe it's time to rethink the visibility and permanence of HN discussions.
- maeil 1y ago
  That would be great, but I don't see it. HN has already been obviously violating GDPR and all other right-to-forget laws since forever by not allowong for account deletion, and everytime this has been brought up, dang has pretty much confirmed they don't care ("it would look bad if there were deleted comments [and that's more important than these laws]").
  - bolognafairy 1y ago
    huge shock that y combinator doesn’t give a shit about legal risk considering the huge chunk of its successful startups were just law-breaking mobile apps.
    - jamiek88 1y ago
      Move fast and break democracy.
  - sneak 1y ago
    It turns out that in real life you don’t have any right to be forgotten, and trying to legally manufacture one is not only nonsensical, it’s impossible. HN is a public forum, if you don’t want your statements here being public, don’t post.
    - kelseyfrog 1y ago
      The right to be forgotten is a natural consequence of reality - nothing is by default permanent. It's digital systems that have perverted reality by persisting information beyond its normal short lifetime. If there's one law of the universe it's that nothing is permanent.
      - 1y ago
d0gsg0w00f 1y ago
To be fair...the other side was just as ferocious when someone postulated that the election was rigged, or that COVID couldn't be stopped by masks. You're essentially asking for conservatives to be the bigger person and stop the blood feud. IMO both approaches should have been more measured, but who do you think will propose the ceasefire agreement?
- anigbrowl 1y ago
  This is not true. People who claimed the election was rigged were asked to back up their claims with evidence. Typically they never did, although a smaller number made an effort...but the profferred evidence was nonsensical. I am not just talking about talking heads widely quoted on TV or social media posts, I read a lot of election litigation. I think the anti-mask people had some valid points, but they sank their own boat by ranting about 'masktards' and 'face diapers' while also demonstrating callous indifference to the large number of deaths.
  - RajT88 1y ago
    Dave Lobue and Justin Mealey should be forever shamed for the farce they put up during the hearings in Georgia. https://www.charliekirk.com/news/georgia-data-scientist-provide-clear-evidence-of-vote-manipulation-at-senate-hearing https://www.charliekirk.com/news/georgia-data-scientist-prov... If you check their work based on the publicly available data, you find that based on their logic there was a clear case for Trump cheating. Right wing media reporting the story, of course, did not.
- mrbombastic 1y ago
  Can you give some examples of things related to those topics you think are equivalent to what is happening right now? Are you referring to facebook and twitter censorship of those topics?
- const_cast 1y ago
  Nobody was made that people thought the election was rigged. They were frustrated with their lack of evidence, and then mad at their attempt at an insurrection. And then really pissed off at their complete lack of accountability afterwards. Same thing with Covid. Nobody was mad if you thought masks were stupid. They were mad if you didn’t wear your mask, putting immunocompromised people at risk for your own selfish reasons. There’s a difference between speech and actions. Doing things that actually, literally, kill people is a problem.
OrvalWintermute 1y ago
I highly doubt it was for that only. To that end, I am quoting a portion of the text on the WH at the end of my comment here. Anyone would be right to question CISA’s misallocation of resources to narrative control, and little emphasis on actual cyber security work. That CISA was getting in bed with former IC folks doing Censorship Ops, not computer security, is a very bad look. There is a reason CISA is viewed as a joke with the federal space and it has everything to do with the lack of performance for a 2-3B dollar agency. “ Christopher Krebs, the former head of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA), is a significant bad-faith actor who weaponized and abused his Government authority. Krebs’ misconduct involved the censorship of disfavored speech implicating the 2020 election and COVID-19 pandemic. CISA, under Krebs’ leadership, suppressed conservative viewpoints under the guise of combatting supposed disinformation, and recruited and coerced major social media platforms to further its partisan mission. CISA covertly worked to blind the American public to the controversy surrounding Hunter Biden’s laptop. Krebs, through CISA, promoted the censorship of election information, including known risks associated with certain voting practices. Similarly, Krebs, through CISA, falsely and baselessly denied that the 2020 election was rigged and stolen, including by inappropriately and categorically dismissing widespread election malfeasance and serious vulnerabilities with voting machines. Krebs skewed the bona fide debate about COVID-19 by attempting to discredit widely shared views that ran contrary to CISA’s favored perspective.”
Braxton1980 1y ago
>Chris Krebs just yesterday had his security clearance revoked solely for saying the 2020 election was fair and not rigged Considering how Republicans control all three branches (to an extent), the "2020 election fraud" was a key talking point of Trump, and how stealing an election would be a historic crime in American history....the justice department has done nothing so far. The Republican House spent a year or so investigating Hunter Biden to obtain a gun plus tax charge (also with the hopes of tying Biden to a crime) but not trying to find who stole the 2020 election?

by maeil 1y ago

wtf_is_this 1y ago

In case anyone is curious about this (as I was) here's an article: https://www.csoonline.com/article/3958808/trump-revokes-security-clearances-for-chris-krebs-sentinelone-in-problematic-precedent-for-security-vendors.html https://www.csoonline.com/article/3958808/trump-revokes-secu...

OrvalWintermute 1y ago
There are many reasons to question Krebs’ tenure and not all of them have to do with ignoring the state of election security, The Disinformation regime, viewpoint discrimination, or election interference. There is a list of things
- nobunaga 1y ago
  And what are they? Because unlike you, Chris has a very well known, positive, respected reputation in the industry. Instead of just making accusations, back them up.
  - OrvalWintermute 1y ago
    I’m not doxxing myself. However many of my issues with CISA are based on my own professional work in security, and that of accomplished professors like J Halderman & M Blaze saying our election infrastructure is insecure. We’ve been saying the same thing in hackerdom for 30 years! If my career has been completely about the security of federal & military systems, then some lawyer like Krebs saying our infrastructure is secure when it’s running Windows 7 is a giant slap in the face, particularly given all of the censorship. You wanted evidence. Here goes: The censorship & viewpoint discrimination pressure CISA was bringing to bear has been over the top. At the same time Krebs was talking about how secure our election infrastructure was, prominent professors such as Matt Blaze & J Halderman that have researched election security said the opposite. This historically has been a bipartisan& Aceademic issue with more Dems & Repubs & Academia supporting claims of insecurity. Those of us in security are convinced that all this unpatched windows7 usage is crazy and Chris Krebs lying about election security isn’t being open and truthful with the American people. https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-judiciary.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/cisa-staff-report6-26-23.pdf https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-j... - The Associated Press reported in 2019 on the use of vulnerable Windows 7 software in election systems, highlighting risks in swing states. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/new-election-systems-use-vulnerable-software[](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/new-election-systems-use-vulnerable-software) https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/new-election-systems-u... - NBC News revealed in 2020 that ES&S installed modems in voting machines, making them susceptible to hacking. [Note: The exact NBC News article from January 2020 titled "Voting Machines Vulnerable to Hacking Due to Modems" is not directly linked in the web results, but this matches the description in the thread. The full URL is not available in the provided web results, and I cannot search for it in real-time. You may need to look up the NBC News article from January 2020 for the precise link.] - The Guardian exposed in 2015 that WinVote machines used weak passwords like "abcde," easily hackable from a distance. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/15/virginia-voting-machines-password-hack-security[](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/15/virginia-hacking-voting-machines-security) https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/15/virginia-vot... - The New York Times reported in 2015 on a leaked database of 191 million voter records, raising concerns about phishing and identity theft. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/us/politics/voting-records-released-privacy-concerns.html[](https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/us/politics/voting-records-released-privacy-concerns.html) https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/us/politics/voting-record... - Wired noted in 2016 that many voting machines ran on outdated Windows XP, lacking security patches since 2014. https://www.wired.com/2016/08/americas-voting-machines-arent-ready-election/ https://www.wired.com/2016/08/americas-voting-machines-arent... - Politico detailed in 2016 how a voting machine was hacked in minutes by replacing ROM chips with malicious firmware. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/08/2016-elections-russia-hack-how-to-hack-an-election-in-seven-minutes-214144/ https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/08/2016-electio... - CBS reported in 2016 that hackers demonstrated voting machine vulnerabilities, showing a $15 hack could alter votes. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hacker-demonstrates-how-voting-machines-can-be-compromised/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hacker-demonstrates-how-voting-... - ABC News confirmed in 2016 that voting machines can be hacked, especially in close elections, with malware erasing itself post-attack. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hack-election-experts-russia/story?id=41548692 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hack-election-experts-russia... - The Atlantic warned in 2016 about electronic voting risks, citing a case where a machine was turned into a Pac-Man console. https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/08/electronic-voting-undermine-election/497588/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/08/elect... - FOX News covered a 2016 demonstration by a Princeton professor hacking a voting machine to shift votes undetected. https://www.foxnews.com/video/5126932108001 https://www.foxnews.com/video/5126932108001 - Fortune reported in 2016 that Cylance researchers hacked a Sequoia AVC Edge machine, altering vote counts via a memory card. https://fortune.com/2016/11/04/voting-machine-hack-demonstration/ https://fortune.com/2016/11/04/voting-machine-hack-demonstra... - Vox highlighted in 2016 that voting machines on Windows XP and voter databases online were vulnerable to hacking. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/7/134 https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/7/134 educed/hackers-election-day-voting-machines - PBS noted in 2016 that five states used digital voting systems without paper trails, increasing hacking risks. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/heres-how-hackers-might-mess-with-electronic-voting-on-election-day https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/heres-how-hackers-migh... - Slate reported in 2016 that 42 states used decade-old voting machines, prone to hacking and lacking paper trails. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/11/our-decrepit-voting-machines-are-a-disaster-waiting-to-happen.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/11/our-decrepit-vot... - PBS revealed in 2016 that Pennsylvania's paperless machines made it impossible to verify vote tampering. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/recounts-no-u-s-elections-still-vulnerable-hacking https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/recounts-no-u-s-electi... - Politico warned in 2016 that 15 states, including Pennsylvania, used electronic voting machines without paper trails. https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/us-elections-hacking-vulnerabilities-232989 https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/us-elections-hacking-... - Scientific American stated in 2017 that voting systems could be hacked by foreign powers, advocating for paper ballots. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/our-voting-system-is-hackable-by-foreign-powers/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/our-voting-system... - Politico reported in 2017 on a Georgia election center's server misconfiguration, exposing voter data and passwords. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/14/will-the-georgia-special-election-get-hacked-215255/ https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/14/will-the-... - NPR cited a 2017 NSA report on Russian attempts to hack election systems, potentially targeting ballot programming. https://www.npr.org/2017/06/14/532824838/if-voting-machines-were-hacked-would-anyone-know https://www.npr.org/2017/06/14/532824838/if-voting-machines-... - HuffPost noted in 2017 that 15 states used hackable touch-screen voting machines without paper trails. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/voting-machines-hackable_n_5960f574e4b07b5e1d4f2e5e https://www.huffpost.com/entry/voting-machines-hackable_n_59... - Senator Elizabeth Warren's 2019 article highlighted vulnerabilities like outdated voter databases and paperless machines. https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/strengthening-our-democracy https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/strengthening-our-democrac... - Senators Warren, Klobuchar, Wyden, and Pocan sent letters in 2019 to voting machine companies about security concerns. [Note: The direct link to the letters is not provided in the web results. These letters were sent to the private equity firms owning voting machine companies, as noted in the thread. You may need to search for "Warren Klobuchar Wyden Pocan voting machine letters 2019" to find the original source, possibly on a government or senator's website.] - A 2019 compilation of media articles detailed election system vulnerabilities over four years post-2016 election. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/new-election-systems-use-vulnerable-software https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/new-election-syste...
- arunabha 1y ago
  Ending the statement with 'There is a list of things' and not providing it strongly suggests that you don't actually have any data or hard facts to back up your claims. You are a random person on an internet forum, the onus is in you to provide data to back up incredible claims.
  - OrvalWintermute 1y ago
    Ok The censorship & viewpoint discrimination pressure CISA was bringing to bear has been over the top. At the same time Krebs was talking about how secure our election infrastructure was, prominent professors such as Matt Blaze & J Halderman that have researched election security said the opposite. This historically has been a bipartisan& Aceademic issue with more Dems & Repubs & Academia supporting claims of insecurity. Those of us in security are convinced that all this unpatched windows7 usage is crazy and Chris Krebs lying about election security isn’t being open and truthful with the American people. https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-judiciary.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/cisa-staff-report6-26-23.pdf https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-j... - The Associated Press reported in 2019 on the use of vulnerable Windows 7 software in election systems, highlighting risks in swing states. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/new-election-systems-use-vulnerable-software[](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/new-election-systems-use-vulnerable-software) https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/new-election-systems-u... - NBC News revealed in 2020 that ES&S installed modems in voting machines, making them susceptible to hacking. [Note: The exact NBC News article from January 2020 titled "Voting Machines Vulnerable to Hacking Due to Modems" is not directly linked in the web results, but this matches the description in the thread. The full URL is not available in the provided web results, and I cannot search for it in real-time. You may need to look up the NBC News article from January 2020 for the precise link.] - The Guardian exposed in 2015 that WinVote machines used weak passwords like "abcde," easily hackable from a distance. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/15/virginia-voting-machines-password-hack-security[](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/15/virginia-hacking-voting-machines-security) https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/15/virginia-vot... - The New York Times reported in 2015 on a leaked database of 191 million voter records, raising concerns about phishing and identity theft. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/us/politics/voting-records-released-privacy-concerns.html[](https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/us/politics/voting-records-released-privacy-concerns.html) https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/us/politics/voting-record... - Wired noted in 2016 that many voting machines ran on outdated Windows XP, lacking security patches since 2014. https://www.wired.com/2016/08/americas-voting-machines-arent-ready-election/ https://www.wired.com/2016/08/americas-voting-machines-arent... - Politico detailed in 2016 how a voting machine was hacked in minutes by replacing ROM chips with malicious firmware. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/08/2016-elections-russia-hack-how-to-hack-an-election-in-seven-minutes-214144/ https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/08/2016-electio... - CBS reported in 2016 that hackers demonstrated voting machine vulnerabilities, showing a $15 hack could alter votes. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hacker-demonstrates-how-voting-machines-can-be-compromised/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hacker-demonstrates-how-voting-... - ABC News confirmed in 2016 that voting machines can be hacked, especially in close elections, with malware erasing itself post-attack. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hack-election-experts-russia/story?id=41548692 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hack-election-experts-russia... - The Atlantic warned in 2016 about electronic voting risks, citing a case where a machine was turned into a Pac-Man console. https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/08/electronic-voting-undermine-election/497588/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/08/elect... - FOX News covered a 2016 demonstration by a Princeton professor hacking a voting machine to shift votes undetected. https://www.foxnews.com/video/5126932108001 https://www.foxnews.com/video/5126932108001 - Fortune reported in 2016 that Cylance researchers hacked a Sequoia AVC Edge machine, altering vote counts via a memory card. https://fortune.com/2016/11/04/voting-machine-hack-demonstration/ https://fortune.com/2016/11/04/voting-machine-hack-demonstra... - Vox highlighted in 2016 that voting machines on Windows XP and voter databases online were vulnerable to hacking. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/7/134 https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/7/134 educed/hackers-election-day-voting-machines - PBS noted in 2016 that five states used digital voting systems without paper trails, increasing hacking risks. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/heres-how-hackers-might-mess-with-electronic-voting-on-election-day https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/heres-how-hackers-migh... - Slate reported in 2016 that 42 states used decade-old voting machines, prone to hacking and lacking paper trails. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/11/our-decrepit-voting-machines-are-a-disaster-waiting-to-happen.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/11/our-decrepit-vot... - PBS revealed in 2016 that Pennsylvania's paperless machines made it impossible to verify vote tampering. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/recounts-no-u-s-elections-still-vulnerable-hacking https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/recounts-no-u-s-electi... - Politico warned in 2016 that 15 states, including Pennsylvania, used electronic voting machines without paper trails. https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/us-elections-hacking-vulnerabilities-232989 https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/us-elections-hacking-... - Scientific American stated in 2017 that voting systems could be hacked by foreign powers, advocating for paper ballots. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/our-voting-system-is-hackable-by-foreign-powers/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/our-voting-system... - Politico reported in 2017 on a Georgia election center's server misconfiguration, exposing voter data and passwords. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/14/will-the-georgia-special-election-get-hacked-215255/ https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/14/will-the-... - NPR cited a 2017 NSA report on Russian attempts to hack election systems, potentially targeting ballot programming. https://www.npr.org/2017/06/14/532824838/if-voting-machines-were-hacked-would-anyone-know https://www.npr.org/2017/06/14/532824838/if-voting-machines-... - HuffPost noted in 2017 that 15 states used hackable touch-screen voting machines without paper trails. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/voting-machines-hackable_n_5960f574e4b07b5e1d4f2e5e https://www.huffpost.com/entry/voting-machines-hackable_n_59... - Senator Elizabeth Warren's 2019 article highlighted vulnerabilities like outdated voter databases and paperless machines. https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/strengthening-our-democracy https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/strengthening-our-democrac... - Senators Warren, Klobuchar, Wyden, and Pocan sent letters in 2019 to voting machine companies about security concerns. [Note: The direct link to the letters is not provided in the web results. These letters were sent to the private equity firms owning voting machine companies, as noted in the thread. You may need to search for "Warren Klobuchar Wyden Pocan voting machine letters 2019" to find the original source, possibly on a government or senator's website.] - A 2019 compilation of media articles detailed election system vulnerabilities over four years post-2016 election. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/new-election-systems-use-vulnerable-software https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/new-election-syste...

esafak 1y ago

Maybe it's time to rethink the visibility and permanence of HN discussions.

maeil 1y ago
That would be great, but I don't see it. HN has already been obviously violating GDPR and all other right-to-forget laws since forever by not allowong for account deletion, and everytime this has been brought up, dang has pretty much confirmed they don't care ("it would look bad if there were deleted comments [and that's more important than these laws]").
- bolognafairy 1y ago
  huge shock that y combinator doesn’t give a shit about legal risk considering the huge chunk of its successful startups were just law-breaking mobile apps.
  - jamiek88 1y ago
    Move fast and break democracy.
- sneak 1y ago
  It turns out that in real life you don’t have any right to be forgotten, and trying to legally manufacture one is not only nonsensical, it’s impossible. HN is a public forum, if you don’t want your statements here being public, don’t post.
  - kelseyfrog 1y ago
    The right to be forgotten is a natural consequence of reality - nothing is by default permanent. It's digital systems that have perverted reality by persisting information beyond its normal short lifetime. If there's one law of the universe it's that nothing is permanent.
    - 1y ago

d0gsg0w00f 1y ago

To be fair...the other side was just as ferocious when someone postulated that the election was rigged, or that COVID couldn't be stopped by masks. You're essentially asking for conservatives to be the bigger person and stop the blood feud. IMO both approaches should have been more measured, but who do you think will propose the ceasefire agreement?

anigbrowl 1y ago
This is not true. People who claimed the election was rigged were asked to back up their claims with evidence. Typically they never did, although a smaller number made an effort...but the profferred evidence was nonsensical. I am not just talking about talking heads widely quoted on TV or social media posts, I read a lot of election litigation. I think the anti-mask people had some valid points, but they sank their own boat by ranting about 'masktards' and 'face diapers' while also demonstrating callous indifference to the large number of deaths.
- RajT88 1y ago
  Dave Lobue and Justin Mealey should be forever shamed for the farce they put up during the hearings in Georgia. https://www.charliekirk.com/news/georgia-data-scientist-provide-clear-evidence-of-vote-manipulation-at-senate-hearing https://www.charliekirk.com/news/georgia-data-scientist-prov... If you check their work based on the publicly available data, you find that based on their logic there was a clear case for Trump cheating. Right wing media reporting the story, of course, did not.
mrbombastic 1y ago
Can you give some examples of things related to those topics you think are equivalent to what is happening right now? Are you referring to facebook and twitter censorship of those topics?
const_cast 1y ago
Nobody was made that people thought the election was rigged. They were frustrated with their lack of evidence, and then mad at their attempt at an insurrection. And then really pissed off at their complete lack of accountability afterwards. Same thing with Covid. Nobody was mad if you thought masks were stupid. They were mad if you didn’t wear your mask, putting immunocompromised people at risk for your own selfish reasons. There’s a difference between speech and actions. Doing things that actually, literally, kill people is a problem.

OrvalWintermute 1y ago

I highly doubt it was for that only. To that end, I am quoting a portion of the text on the WH at the end of my comment here. Anyone would be right to question CISA’s misallocation of resources to narrative control, and little emphasis on actual cyber security work. That CISA was getting in bed with former IC folks doing Censorship Ops, not computer security, is a very bad look. There is a reason CISA is viewed as a joke with the federal space and it has everything to do with the lack of performance for a 2-3B dollar agency. “ Christopher Krebs, the former head of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA), is a significant bad-faith actor who weaponized and abused his Government authority. Krebs’ misconduct involved the censorship of disfavored speech implicating the 2020 election and COVID-19 pandemic. CISA, under Krebs’ leadership, suppressed conservative viewpoints under the guise of combatting supposed disinformation, and recruited and coerced major social media platforms to further its partisan mission. CISA covertly worked to blind the American public to the controversy surrounding Hunter Biden’s laptop. Krebs, through CISA, promoted the censorship of election information, including known risks associated with certain voting practices. Similarly, Krebs, through CISA, falsely and baselessly denied that the 2020 election was rigged and stolen, including by inappropriately and categorically dismissing widespread election malfeasance and serious vulnerabilities with voting machines. Krebs skewed the bona fide debate about COVID-19 by attempting to discredit widely shared views that ran contrary to CISA’s favored perspective.”

Braxton1980 1y ago

>Chris Krebs just yesterday had his security clearance revoked solely for saying the 2020 election was fair and not rigged Considering how Republicans control all three branches (to an extent), the "2020 election fraud" was a key talking point of Trump, and how stealing an election would be a historic crime in American history....the justice department has done nothing so far. The Republican House spent a year or so investigating Hunter Biden to obtain a gun plus tax charge (also with the hopes of tying Biden to a crime) but not trying to find who stole the 2020 election?