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> very few people have any real interest in driving a car at 200 MPH I agree with that. > but Ferraris, Lamborghinis and Porsches are widely understood as des

> very few people have any real interest in driving a car at 200 MPH I agree with that. > but Ferraris, Lamborghinis and Porsches are widely understood as desirable cars I agree with that too. > because the people who are into cars like those marques. I think that is not true. I don’t care about cars. Never had one. Don’t even have a driving licence. The reason why i think Ferraris, Lamborghinis and Porsches are desirable cars is because they look cool, and they sound cool. They were designed to be like that. If i see one on the street i notice it. I couldn’t care less about the opinion of gearheads. If a car would come out looking like my grandpa’s skoda, but all the car lovers would love it I wouldn’t even hear about it. It is all about flashyness of the industrial design. And rarity of course.

throwaway290 2y ago
By that logic if you start making rare cool looking sportcars they would be automatically desirable. I doubt that would happen. Unless gearheads give it "approval", no one would buy it and you will be out of business.
- krisoft 2y ago
  > Unless gearheads give it "approval", no one would buy it and you will be out of business. There is a slight sifting of goalpost here. I was talking about being "understood as desirable cars". You are now talking about business success. They are not the same. Think of DeLorean. They are absolutely understood as desirable cars, and they very much went bankrupt. > By that logic if you start making rare cool looking sportcars they would be automatically desirable. Yep. I don't see anything problematic with that. I believe if you make a rare and cool looking sportcar people will recognise it as desirable. That's basically the definiton of "cool looking". If people (gearheads and regular folks alike) don't recognise it as desirable then you didn't made a cool looking car. Which part do you disagree with here? I'm just thinking how we could test it. Imagine a car hot-or-not site. One where users have to "pick" which car is looking better or more desirable. The ultimate test would be to mix a few fictional sport car looking cars there. One which is completely made up so the gearheads could not have possibly approved it already. Do you think people would rate these fictional cars less desirable just because they doesn't exist? If you think this is suitable to answer our disagreement we could set this experiment up.
  - throwaway290 2y ago
    > I was talking about being "understood as desirable cars". You are now talking about business success. They are not the same. I mean to be widely desirable car requires some business success first. > Do you think people would rate these fictional cars less desirable just because they doesn't exist? Yes. You must be a rare carhead to judge the whole thing from just the outside and engine sound. The rest of normal people know they cannot and use reputation as proxy. I don't think it needs proving..,
    - krisoft 2y ago
      > You must be a rare carhead... Which I'm not. This is my point. I do not know of the reputation of Porsche. If you tell me they are shitty cars I would shrug and believe you. I do not even recognise the brand of a car. I see flashy car, bright colours, fast looking body, deep bone-shaking engine sound and I conclude "wow, that's a cool car". This is based on how it sounds and looks. Since I don't know anything about the reputation of the car it cannot be based on that. If you are a carhead maybe you are mistaken about how regular people judge these things. > I don't think it needs proving.., Sounds like we disagree on how or why regular, not vehicle enthusiast, people recognise a car to be desirable. I proposed a test how we can figure out which one of ours theory is right. Do you agree in principle if people were to rate fictional cars as highly desirable that would show that reputation of the manufacturer is not what factors into that decision?
      - throwaway290 2y ago
        I'm not a carhead and most of us use brands to tell if it's good or not. If unknown brand car I see once looks cute that means literally nothing without extra information. But if I see the same unknown brand car 10x in a day and then I see it in a videogame etc. and it's expensive so many carheads spend a bunch of money on it = endorsement, it's no longer unknown brand. Same for everything, phones, cameras, whatever. You gotta be discerning to appreciate beyond the brand and most people are not. If I see a cute car I check what's the brand, how much it costs etc and THEN I can think "yeah I want this cool looking car". I don't think anyone would use just cute shape of a car seen once as a justification for buying it. Fast body? That means you must be a carhead. How do I know it's a fast body? Why would I even need a fast body?

throwaway290 2y ago

By that logic if you start making rare cool looking sportcars they would be automatically desirable. I doubt that would happen. Unless gearheads give it "approval", no one would buy it and you will be out of business.

krisoft 2y ago
> Unless gearheads give it "approval", no one would buy it and you will be out of business. There is a slight sifting of goalpost here. I was talking about being "understood as desirable cars". You are now talking about business success. They are not the same. Think of DeLorean. They are absolutely understood as desirable cars, and they very much went bankrupt. > By that logic if you start making rare cool looking sportcars they would be automatically desirable. Yep. I don't see anything problematic with that. I believe if you make a rare and cool looking sportcar people will recognise it as desirable. That's basically the definiton of "cool looking". If people (gearheads and regular folks alike) don't recognise it as desirable then you didn't made a cool looking car. Which part do you disagree with here? I'm just thinking how we could test it. Imagine a car hot-or-not site. One where users have to "pick" which car is looking better or more desirable. The ultimate test would be to mix a few fictional sport car looking cars there. One which is completely made up so the gearheads could not have possibly approved it already. Do you think people would rate these fictional cars less desirable just because they doesn't exist? If you think this is suitable to answer our disagreement we could set this experiment up.
- throwaway290 2y ago
  > I was talking about being "understood as desirable cars". You are now talking about business success. They are not the same. I mean to be widely desirable car requires some business success first. > Do you think people would rate these fictional cars less desirable just because they doesn't exist? Yes. You must be a rare carhead to judge the whole thing from just the outside and engine sound. The rest of normal people know they cannot and use reputation as proxy. I don't think it needs proving..,
  - krisoft 2y ago
    > You must be a rare carhead... Which I'm not. This is my point. I do not know of the reputation of Porsche. If you tell me they are shitty cars I would shrug and believe you. I do not even recognise the brand of a car. I see flashy car, bright colours, fast looking body, deep bone-shaking engine sound and I conclude "wow, that's a cool car". This is based on how it sounds and looks. Since I don't know anything about the reputation of the car it cannot be based on that. If you are a carhead maybe you are mistaken about how regular people judge these things. > I don't think it needs proving.., Sounds like we disagree on how or why regular, not vehicle enthusiast, people recognise a car to be desirable. I proposed a test how we can figure out which one of ours theory is right. Do you agree in principle if people were to rate fictional cars as highly desirable that would show that reputation of the manufacturer is not what factors into that decision?
    - throwaway290 2y ago
      I'm not a carhead and most of us use brands to tell if it's good or not. If unknown brand car I see once looks cute that means literally nothing without extra information. But if I see the same unknown brand car 10x in a day and then I see it in a videogame etc. and it's expensive so many carheads spend a bunch of money on it = endorsement, it's no longer unknown brand. Same for everything, phones, cameras, whatever. You gotta be discerning to appreciate beyond the brand and most people are not. If I see a cute car I check what's the brand, how much it costs etc and THEN I can think "yeah I want this cool looking car". I don't think anyone would use just cute shape of a car seen once as a justification for buying it. Fast body? That means you must be a carhead. How do I know it's a fast body? Why would I even need a fast body?