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They’re blowing up children. If I am against that, is that now a bad thing? This is how far we’ve fallen. We have a nation state committing a genocide of an ind

They’re blowing up children. If I am against that, is that now a bad thing? This is how far we’ve fallen. We have a nation state committing a genocide of an indigenous people and the Human Rights Watch is accused of being biased against the genociders. “I feel this organization is biased against the Nazi party” is essentially the same sentence.

PathOfEclipse 1y ago
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- ang_cire 1y ago
  3 opinion pieces as evidence. Not beating the allegations. "You shouldn't trust the internationally-recognized and acclaimed and trusted Human Rights Watch, here are some opinions pieces that tell you the REAL truth!"
  - PathOfEclipse 1y ago
    https://effectiviology.com/credentials-fallacy/ https://effectiviology.com/credentials-fallacy/ Also I've provided more than ample evidence that HRW is deeply compromised on this issue and has been for many years: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/oct/29/human-rights-watch-ngo-israel https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/oct/29/human-rights-w...
    - ang_cire 1y ago
      Oh look, the "ample evidence" link you provide is ALSO an opinion statement, and it's written by... > Elie Wiesel, Prof Alan Dershowitz, R James Woolsey, Elliott Abrams, Tom Gross, Prof Judea Pearl, Douglas Murray Hmmmm, none of those people are famously biased towards Israel.... Also, you are misusing Credentials Fallacy to dismiss the difference between factual reporting and opinion. If I dismissed a peer-reviewed study you posted by saying that YOU aren't a scientist/expert, THAT would be Credential Fallacy. It doesn't just mean that you have to accept all sources and claims as equal. "You just dismissed my Infowars link without even providing a detailed refutation, and just trusted the CDC instead! Fallacy!"
      - PathOfEclipse 1y ago
        No. I'm saying what you call "factual reporting" is inaccurate and dishonest propaganda. And the "opinion pieces" I'm sharing are all based on facts and realities. If any source is deserving of a comparison to InfoWars here it's HRW itself. You can't unilaterally smear every right-of-center source as completely untrustworthy and expect to stay on the side of reality for long.
        ang_cire 1y ago
        Ah yes, the very dishonest and propagandistic Associated Press: > Israeli strikes on Gaza kill 32, mostly women and children (Apr 6) [1] https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-news-ceasefire-hostages-04-06-2025-1e8006e86210560a594e48106456173f https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-new... > An Israeli strike hit near a charity kitchen in Gaza as Palestinians gathered for food (Apr 7) [2] https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-news-ceasefire-hostages-04-07-2025-1ef0696b9c12bf18b5123ccd5b384a02 https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-new... > Palestinian teenager who died in Israeli prison showed signs of starvation, medical report says (Apr 6) > Starvation was likely the leading cause of death for a Palestinian teenager who died in an Israeli prison, according to an Israeli doctor who observed the autopsy. [3] https://apnews.com/article/autopsy-palestinian-deaths-israeli-prisons-torture-starvation-0fcaaceb7420b684bb449f798434477b https://apnews.com/article/autopsy-palestinian-deaths-israel... Or how about Business Insider? > Israel's 'Where's Daddy?' AI system helps target suspected Hamas militants when they're at home with their families, report says [4] https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-ai-system-wheres-daddy-strikes-hamas-family-homes-2024?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-ai-system-wheres-dadd... The Georgetown Security Studies Review? > The Dehumanization of ISR: Israel’s Use of Artificial Intelligence In Warfare > “At 5 a.m., [the air force] would come and bomb all the houses that we had marked,” B. said, an anonymous IDF soldier. “We took out thousands of people. We didn’t go through them one by one—we put everything into automated systems, and as soon as one of [the marked individuals] was at home, he immediately became a target. We bombed him and his house.” [5] https://georgetownsecuritystudiesreview.org/2025/01/09/the-dehumanization-of-isr-israels-use-of-artificial-intelligence-in-warfare/ https://georgetownsecuritystudiesreview.org/2025/01/09/the-d... Is there any news source apart from Netanyahu himself that you would accept as true for showing that the IDF was not taking measures not to kill women and children in Gaza?
  - tdeck 1y ago
    No matter how hard they try (REALLY hard, we promise!) Israeli snipers just can't stop shooting toddlers in he head! Most moral army for sure.
- moogly 1y ago
  > Israel Implemented More Measures to Prevent Civilian Casualties Than Any Other Nation in History Well, they're not very good in preventing civilian casualties. I'm pretty sure they rank pretty fucking high on the list of causing civilian casualties, actually. Most other nations don't need any such measures implemented since, you know, they don't commit genocide. "You should be happy we didn't kill more people, because we could!" is not a particularly good argument for your cause.
  - PathOfEclipse 1y ago
    Do you have a list of rankings for different wars and countries? Yeah. Of course not.
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computerthings 1y ago
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ang_cire 1y ago
3 opinion pieces as evidence. Not beating the allegations. "You shouldn't trust the internationally-recognized and acclaimed and trusted Human Rights Watch, here are some opinions pieces that tell you the REAL truth!"
- PathOfEclipse 1y ago
  https://effectiviology.com/credentials-fallacy/ https://effectiviology.com/credentials-fallacy/ Also I've provided more than ample evidence that HRW is deeply compromised on this issue and has been for many years: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/oct/29/human-rights-watch-ngo-israel https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/oct/29/human-rights-w...
  - ang_cire 1y ago
    Oh look, the "ample evidence" link you provide is ALSO an opinion statement, and it's written by... > Elie Wiesel, Prof Alan Dershowitz, R James Woolsey, Elliott Abrams, Tom Gross, Prof Judea Pearl, Douglas Murray Hmmmm, none of those people are famously biased towards Israel.... Also, you are misusing Credentials Fallacy to dismiss the difference between factual reporting and opinion. If I dismissed a peer-reviewed study you posted by saying that YOU aren't a scientist/expert, THAT would be Credential Fallacy. It doesn't just mean that you have to accept all sources and claims as equal. "You just dismissed my Infowars link without even providing a detailed refutation, and just trusted the CDC instead! Fallacy!"
    - PathOfEclipse 1y ago
      No. I'm saying what you call "factual reporting" is inaccurate and dishonest propaganda. And the "opinion pieces" I'm sharing are all based on facts and realities. If any source is deserving of a comparison to InfoWars here it's HRW itself. You can't unilaterally smear every right-of-center source as completely untrustworthy and expect to stay on the side of reality for long.
      - ang_cire 1y ago
        Ah yes, the very dishonest and propagandistic Associated Press: > Israeli strikes on Gaza kill 32, mostly women and children (Apr 6) [1] https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-news-ceasefire-hostages-04-06-2025-1e8006e86210560a594e48106456173f https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-new... > An Israeli strike hit near a charity kitchen in Gaza as Palestinians gathered for food (Apr 7) [2] https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-news-ceasefire-hostages-04-07-2025-1ef0696b9c12bf18b5123ccd5b384a02 https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-new... > Palestinian teenager who died in Israeli prison showed signs of starvation, medical report says (Apr 6) > Starvation was likely the leading cause of death for a Palestinian teenager who died in an Israeli prison, according to an Israeli doctor who observed the autopsy. [3] https://apnews.com/article/autopsy-palestinian-deaths-israeli-prisons-torture-starvation-0fcaaceb7420b684bb449f798434477b https://apnews.com/article/autopsy-palestinian-deaths-israel... Or how about Business Insider? > Israel's 'Where's Daddy?' AI system helps target suspected Hamas militants when they're at home with their families, report says [4] https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-ai-system-wheres-daddy-strikes-hamas-family-homes-2024?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-ai-system-wheres-dadd... The Georgetown Security Studies Review? > The Dehumanization of ISR: Israel’s Use of Artificial Intelligence In Warfare > “At 5 a.m., [the air force] would come and bomb all the houses that we had marked,” B. said, an anonymous IDF soldier. “We took out thousands of people. We didn’t go through them one by one—we put everything into automated systems, and as soon as one of [the marked individuals] was at home, he immediately became a target. We bombed him and his house.” [5] https://georgetownsecuritystudiesreview.org/2025/01/09/the-dehumanization-of-isr-israels-use-of-artificial-intelligence-in-warfare/ https://georgetownsecuritystudiesreview.org/2025/01/09/the-d... Is there any news source apart from Netanyahu himself that you would accept as true for showing that the IDF was not taking measures not to kill women and children in Gaza?
- tdeck 1y ago
  No matter how hard they try (REALLY hard, we promise!) Israeli snipers just can't stop shooting toddlers in he head! Most moral army for sure.
moogly 1y ago
> Israel Implemented More Measures to Prevent Civilian Casualties Than Any Other Nation in History Well, they're not very good in preventing civilian casualties. I'm pretty sure they rank pretty fucking high on the list of causing civilian casualties, actually. Most other nations don't need any such measures implemented since, you know, they don't commit genocide. "You should be happy we didn't kill more people, because we could!" is not a particularly good argument for your cause.
- PathOfEclipse 1y ago
  Do you have a list of rankings for different wars and countries? Yeah. Of course not.
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