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These are people having stronger loyalty to Israel than to the US. Also, would US conpanies employ people with strong ties to Russia, knowing they would suppres

These are people having stronger loyalty to Israel than to the US. Also, would US conpanies employ people with strong ties to Russia, knowing they would suppress any criticism of Russia‘s war in Ukraine? Apparently that’s what these Meta employees with strong ties to Israel did: Suppress any criticism of Israel‘s apparent war crimes in Gaza, for which there are arrest warrants from the ICC.

9283409232 2y ago
> knowing they would suppress any criticism of Russia‘s war in Ukraine? This is a leap in logic. You have no idea that they would know they would do this.
- submeta 2y ago
  Ahh, that‘s why university presidents were fired because they allowed students to protest against Israel‘s war crimes in Palestine? But no Meta employee is fired for suppressing criticism of war crimes?
  - 9283409232 2y ago
    For all the illegal or immoral things Meta employees do and do not get fired for, this is very low on the list.
    - boredpeter 2y ago
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steventhedev 2y ago
By that incredibly racist logic Meta should only hire born and bred Americans. How many Russians work at Meta? How many Palestinians?
- kombine 2y ago
  That was not the point. You can hire both Russians and Israelis, as long as they were not involved in the occupation of Ukraine and Palestine respectively. It gets more trickier with Israel, because of the mandatory conscription to the occupying army, whereas virtually all Russians working in tech that I personally know never served in the Russian military.
  - steventhedev 2y ago
    At no point did submeta qualify their statement to only apply to former soldiers. Quite the rather - they removed the nuance that did exist in their quoted propaganda articles and made it explicitly based on national origin only.
    - kombine 2y ago
      No, submeta specifically talked about people with "strong ties to Russia" and "strong ties to Israel". This needs clarification, but in the context of the article this clearly means to the country's governments or military, not any random national. > their quoted propaganda articles Their comment is now flagged, but from memory the articles they linked were factual. You can label them propaganda all you want, this does not change the truth.
- submeta 2y ago
  And you mean soldiers of an apartheid state, that is accused of genocide and whose leaders have arrest wartants from the highest court, are like soldiers from any other country? Sources Declaring Israel's Practices as Apartheid: 1. UN Special Rapporteur on the Situation of Human Rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territory: Michael Lynk's report concludes that Israel's practices in the OPT amount to apartheid [3][9][12]. 2. International Court of Justice (ICJ): Found Israel responsible for apartheid in its advisory opinion [1][7]. 3. Amnesty International: Describes Israel's treatment of Palestinians as apartheid, a crime against humanity [2][5][10]. 4. Human Rights Watch: Concludes that Israel's policies constitute apartheid and persecution against Palestinians [4][5]. 5. International Commission of Jurists (ICJ): Denounces Israel's system of apartheid against Palestinians [8]. 6. B'Tselem: An Israeli human rights group that has also described Israel's practices as apartheid [9]. 7. Al-Haq and other Palestinian organizations: Submitted reports to UN bodies arguing that Israel maintains an apartheid regime [4]. --- ## Sources [1] https://www.un.org/unispal/document/experts-hail-icj-declaration-30jul24/ https://www.un.org/unispal/document/experts-hail-icj-declara... [2] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apart... [3] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/03/israel-opt-israel-is-committing-apartheid-says-un-special-rapporteur/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/03/israel-opt-is... [4] https://www.cjpme.org/apartheid_list https://www.cjpme.org/apartheid_list [5] https://www.caabu.org/issues/international-human-rights-organisations https://www.caabu.org/issues/international-human-rights-orga... [6] https://www.amnestyusa.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Full-Report.pdf https://www.amnestyusa.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Full-R... [7] https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/07/19/world-court-finds-israel-responsible-apartheid https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/07/19/world-court-finds-israel... [8] https://www.icj.org/un-icj-denounces-israels-system-of-apartheid-against-palestinians/ https://www.icj.org/un-icj-denounces-israels-system-of-apart... [9] https://bdsmovement.net/UN-Special-Rapporteur-Confirms-Israeli-Apartheid https://bdsmovement.net/UN-Special-Rapporteur-Confirms-Israe... [10] https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-jerusalem-israel-race-and-ethnicity-racial-injustice-83b44a2f6b2b3581d857f57fb6960115 https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-jerusalem-israel-race... [11] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/02/israel-opt-palestinian-lives-in-peril-as-israel-reinforces-apartheid/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/02/israel-opt-pa... [12] https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/03/israels-55-year-occupation-palestinian-territory-apartheid-un-human-rights https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/03/israels-55-y... [13] https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde15/5141/2022/en/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde15/5141/2022/en/ [14] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/23/world/middleeast/israel-apatheid-un.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/23/world/middleeast/israel-a... [15] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/10/israel-opt-latest-un-recognition-of-apartheid-comes-amid-soaring-attacks-on-palestinian-homes/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/10/israel-opt-la... [16] https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/a-discussion-of-the-un-report-on-israeli-practices-regarding-the-palestinians-and-the-question-of-apartheid/ https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/a-discussion-of-the-un-rep... [17] https://www.alhaq.org/advocacy/20727.html https://www.alhaq.org/advocacy/20727.html [18] https://www.alhaq.org/advocacy/17012.html https://www.alhaq.org/advocacy/17012.html [19] https://www.un.org/unispal/document/report-of-the-special-committee-to-investigate-israeli-practices-20sep24/ https://www.un.org/unispal/document/report-of-the-special-co... [20] https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/12/05/does-israels-treatment-palestinians-rise-level-apartheid https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/12/05/does-israels-treatment-p... [21] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/top-un-court-says-israels-presence-in-occupied-palestinian-territories-is-illegal-and-should-end-as-rapidly-as-possible https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/top-un-court-says-israels... [22] https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/isra... [23] https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/09/apartheid-israel-targeting-gaza-and-west-bank-simultaneously-says-expert https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/09/apartheid-is... [24] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-... [25] https://fathomjournal.org/how-ngos-fabricate-the-legal-definition-of-apartheid-to-attack-israel/ https://fathomjournal.org/how-ngos-fabricate-the-legal-defin... [26] https://www.btselem.org/topic/apartheid https://www.btselem.org/topic/apartheid [27] https://www.btselem.org https://www.btselem.org [28] https://ngo-monitor.org/reports/amnesty-internationals-cruel-assault-on-israel/ https://ngo-monitor.org/reports/amnesty-internationals-cruel... [29] https://ips-dc.org/human-rights-groups-agree-israel-is-practicing-apartheid/ https://ips-dc.org/human-rights-groups-agree-israel-is-pract... [30] https://www.amnestyusa.org/campaigns/end-apartheid/ https://www.amnestyusa.org/campaigns/end-apartheid/ [31] https://ngo-monitor.org/reports/apartheid-report-2022/ https://ngo-monitor.org/reports/apartheid-report-2022/ [32] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/israel-must-end-its-occupation-of-palestine-to-stop-fuelling-apartheid-and-systematic-human-rights-violations/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/israel-must-e... [33] https://ngo-monitor.org/report-category/apartheid/ https://ngo-monitor.org/report-category/apartheid/ [34] https://www.npr.org/2022/02/01/1077291879/israel-apartheid-state-amnesty-international https://www.npr.org/2022/02/01/1077291879/israel-apartheid-s... [35] https://www.un.org/unispal/document/special-rapporteur-on-the-situation-of-human-rights-in-opt-israel-has-imposed-upon-palestine-an-apartheid-reality-in-a-post-apartheid-world-press-release/ https://www.un.org/unispal/document/special-rapporteur-on-th...

9283409232 2y ago

> knowing they would suppress any criticism of Russia‘s war in Ukraine? This is a leap in logic. You have no idea that they would know they would do this.

submeta 2y ago
Ahh, that‘s why university presidents were fired because they allowed students to protest against Israel‘s war crimes in Palestine? But no Meta employee is fired for suppressing criticism of war crimes?
- 9283409232 2y ago
  For all the illegal or immoral things Meta employees do and do not get fired for, this is very low on the list.
  - boredpeter 2y ago
    [dead]

steventhedev 2y ago

By that incredibly racist logic Meta should only hire born and bred Americans. How many Russians work at Meta? How many Palestinians?

kombine 2y ago
That was not the point. You can hire both Russians and Israelis, as long as they were not involved in the occupation of Ukraine and Palestine respectively. It gets more trickier with Israel, because of the mandatory conscription to the occupying army, whereas virtually all Russians working in tech that I personally know never served in the Russian military.
- steventhedev 2y ago
  At no point did submeta qualify their statement to only apply to former soldiers. Quite the rather - they removed the nuance that did exist in their quoted propaganda articles and made it explicitly based on national origin only.
  - kombine 2y ago
    No, submeta specifically talked about people with "strong ties to Russia" and "strong ties to Israel". This needs clarification, but in the context of the article this clearly means to the country's governments or military, not any random national. > their quoted propaganda articles Their comment is now flagged, but from memory the articles they linked were factual. You can label them propaganda all you want, this does not change the truth.
submeta 2y ago
And you mean soldiers of an apartheid state, that is accused of genocide and whose leaders have arrest wartants from the highest court, are like soldiers from any other country? Sources Declaring Israel's Practices as Apartheid: 1. UN Special Rapporteur on the Situation of Human Rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territory: Michael Lynk's report concludes that Israel's practices in the OPT amount to apartheid [3][9][12]. 2. International Court of Justice (ICJ): Found Israel responsible for apartheid in its advisory opinion [1][7]. 3. Amnesty International: Describes Israel's treatment of Palestinians as apartheid, a crime against humanity [2][5][10]. 4. Human Rights Watch: Concludes that Israel's policies constitute apartheid and persecution against Palestinians [4][5]. 5. International Commission of Jurists (ICJ): Denounces Israel's system of apartheid against Palestinians [8]. 6. B'Tselem: An Israeli human rights group that has also described Israel's practices as apartheid [9]. 7. Al-Haq and other Palestinian organizations: Submitted reports to UN bodies arguing that Israel maintains an apartheid regime [4]. --- ## Sources [1] https://www.un.org/unispal/document/experts-hail-icj-declaration-30jul24/ https://www.un.org/unispal/document/experts-hail-icj-declara... [2] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apart... [3] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/03/israel-opt-israel-is-committing-apartheid-says-un-special-rapporteur/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/03/israel-opt-is... [4] https://www.cjpme.org/apartheid_list https://www.cjpme.org/apartheid_list [5] https://www.caabu.org/issues/international-human-rights-organisations https://www.caabu.org/issues/international-human-rights-orga... 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