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I am part of a neighborhood group where I grew up in Bangladesh and lived until 5th grade in the 90s. The group admin this morning let us know via Facebook pos

I am part of a neighborhood group where I grew up in Bangladesh and lived until 5th grade in the 90s. The group admin this morning let us know via Facebook post that he has received warnings frm Facebook. The group is "at a risk of being suspended" because way too many posts relating to "dangerous organization and individuals" have been removed. He wants everyone to be extra careful when posting about p*l*s*i*e, I*r*e*, g*z*, j*w* etc. He used asterisks himself just to be extra careful himself. Not to mention my country is dealing with rohingya crisis, which was fueled by Facebook and WhatsApp misinformation campaigns, and Facebook had 2 moderators for the whole country of Myanmar and refused to do anything about said misinformation campaigns. But they sure make exceptions for I*r*e*.

Capricorn2481 2y ago
> Not to mention my country is dealing with rohingya crisis, which was fueled by Facebook and WhatsApp misinformation campaigns, and Facebook had 2 moderators for the whole country of Myanmar and refused to do anything about said misinformation campaigns. But they sure make exceptions for Ire* Not sure why you're downvoted. This is all true.
ipv6ipv4 2y ago
Makes you wonder what kind of posts about Jews a local Bangladeshi group is posting... Or why.
- esalman 2y ago
  They're writing posts on Facebook, not dropping bomb on anyone. Relax.
  - ipv6ipv4 2y ago
    To explain further. I can't imagine why anyone would post about Jews on my local NextDoor or FB group. It's just not a topic that comes up outside of Jewish community events, like holidays. There are certainly no Jewish community events in Bangladesh. If they are writing posts about Jews like were posted about Rohingya, then maybe it's not just "posts on Facebook". You are the one who seems to be uptight, bringing up the topic of bombs (?!), and scolding me to relax. Maybe you should relax. P.S. for those wondering, my flagged comment simply asked why Jews would come up as a topic at all on a local Bangladeshi group. The irony of it being flagged in a post about censorship is piquant.
    - yibg 2y ago
      It was already dead otherwise I would have downvoted it too. Why? Because the implication of your original post is the only reason that fb group would post about those topics is for bad reasons. Why can’t there just be a casual conversation about something that was all over the news?
      - ipv6ipv4 2y ago
        In what context does your local neighborhood FB group raise Jews (or any other non-local ethnicity for that matter) as a topic of discussion?
        yibg 2y ago
        I don't know, I'm not part of those groups. But my automatic assumption isn't they're a bunch of antisemites or hamas supporters.
        ipv6ipv4 2y ago
        This is not hard. In what contexts do Jews come up in your circle of friends?
        yibg 2y ago
        In my personal circle Jews don’t come up but Palestine and Israel certainly do. Why? Because 1) they were in the news and we discuss current events and 2) being in the tech industry Israel comes up frequently. Why is this an issue?
        ipv6ipv4 2y ago
        Exactly. Israel/Palestine comes up. But not Jews. It's a strange topic for a local neighborhood group. You can deduce that from reflecting on your own interactions. Further, FB found it necessary to stop discussions about Jews on that group. Now, we can cook up any number of conspiracies about how any mention of Jews is like discussing fight club, or the Illuminati, and that's why FB instructed the group to stop discussing it. Or we can deduce the obvious. That the group, that would normally not be expected to be discussing Jews, had some fairly distasteful discussions about Jews. FB is not a model of good moderation by a long shot. But given the strangeness of the topic in a local neighborhood group, we can deduce that FB probably got it right in this case.
sneak 2y ago
…and yet, they still use and support these censorship platforms. They’ll do anything but leave.
- Capricorn2481 2y ago
  Facebook is not the same there as it is here. It's not just a fun app you use, it's a huge part of how African and Asian countries interface with the internet. Trying to lead a group effort to leave the platform wouldn't work at any scale other than complete unanimity, and you're going to have trouble reaching that with the people benefiting from weaponizing Facebook.
  - mmooss 2y ago
    > Facebook is not the same there as it is here. It's not just a fun app you use, it's a huge part of how African and Asian countries interface with the internet. Could you give a little more detail about what that means?
    - tim-kt 2y ago
      At least in Africa, Facebook is responsible for a large part of internet accessibility. One can say that, in Africa, "Facebook is the internet" [0]. I can't comment on Asia. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jan/20/facebook-second-life-the-unstoppable-rise-of-the-tech-company-in-africa https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jan/20/facebook-...
SauciestGNU 2y ago
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- Duwensatzaj 2y ago
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  - SauciestGNU 2y ago
    I don't. The dissolution of a state implies nothing about the disposition of its people or a violent end to said state.
    - iddan 2y ago
      Easily overlooking the holocaust, the farhud and the pogroms. Israel was founded because Jewish people were not safe without a state.
      - SauciestGNU 2y ago
        Jewish people were unsafe because of antisemites and antisemitism, not because they lacked an ethnostate. The diaspora also deserves safety, with or without an Israel.
        edanm 2y ago
        > Jewish people were unsafe because of antisemites and antisemitism, not because they lacked an ethnostate. 1. Unfortunately, antisemitism is alive and well. 2. It is an unfortunate reality that Jews in particular have been persecuted throughout history. But I think it's true that most people want a state of their own, to protect them and to live in the way that they want to live. This is the source of most modern countries/states - some ethnicity with on some specific land deciding to turn it into their state. The only reason Jews were different was because they were ethnically cleansed by the Roman empire from their own land, and dispersed across the entire Jewish diaspora. This made their situation worse than most ethnicities, made them even more in need of a land to call their own. > The diaspora also deserves safety, with or without an Israel. Of course. Everyone deserves safety. I wish everyone got what they deserved. But we don't get rid of the police force because "no one deserves to be murdered". The world doesn't run just on what people deserves.

Capricorn2481 2y ago

> Not to mention my country is dealing with rohingya crisis, which was fueled by Facebook and WhatsApp misinformation campaigns, and Facebook had 2 moderators for the whole country of Myanmar and refused to do anything about said misinformation campaigns. But they sure make exceptions for Ire* Not sure why you're downvoted. This is all true.

ipv6ipv4 2y ago

Makes you wonder what kind of posts about Jews a local Bangladeshi group is posting... Or why.

esalman 2y ago
They're writing posts on Facebook, not dropping bomb on anyone. Relax.
- ipv6ipv4 2y ago
  To explain further. I can't imagine why anyone would post about Jews on my local NextDoor or FB group. It's just not a topic that comes up outside of Jewish community events, like holidays. There are certainly no Jewish community events in Bangladesh. If they are writing posts about Jews like were posted about Rohingya, then maybe it's not just "posts on Facebook". You are the one who seems to be uptight, bringing up the topic of bombs (?!), and scolding me to relax. Maybe you should relax. P.S. for those wondering, my flagged comment simply asked why Jews would come up as a topic at all on a local Bangladeshi group. The irony of it being flagged in a post about censorship is piquant.
  - yibg 2y ago
    It was already dead otherwise I would have downvoted it too. Why? Because the implication of your original post is the only reason that fb group would post about those topics is for bad reasons. Why can’t there just be a casual conversation about something that was all over the news?
    - ipv6ipv4 2y ago
      In what context does your local neighborhood FB group raise Jews (or any other non-local ethnicity for that matter) as a topic of discussion?
      - yibg 2y ago
        I don't know, I'm not part of those groups. But my automatic assumption isn't they're a bunch of antisemites or hamas supporters.
        ipv6ipv4 2y ago
        This is not hard. In what contexts do Jews come up in your circle of friends?
        yibg 2y ago
        In my personal circle Jews don’t come up but Palestine and Israel certainly do. Why? Because 1) they were in the news and we discuss current events and 2) being in the tech industry Israel comes up frequently. Why is this an issue?
        ipv6ipv4 2y ago
        Exactly. Israel/Palestine comes up. But not Jews. It's a strange topic for a local neighborhood group. You can deduce that from reflecting on your own interactions. Further, FB found it necessary to stop discussions about Jews on that group. Now, we can cook up any number of conspiracies about how any mention of Jews is like discussing fight club, or the Illuminati, and that's why FB instructed the group to stop discussing it. Or we can deduce the obvious. That the group, that would normally not be expected to be discussing Jews, had some fairly distasteful discussions about Jews. FB is not a model of good moderation by a long shot. But given the strangeness of the topic in a local neighborhood group, we can deduce that FB probably got it right in this case.

sneak 2y ago

…and yet, they still use and support these censorship platforms. They’ll do anything but leave.

Capricorn2481 2y ago
Facebook is not the same there as it is here. It's not just a fun app you use, it's a huge part of how African and Asian countries interface with the internet. Trying to lead a group effort to leave the platform wouldn't work at any scale other than complete unanimity, and you're going to have trouble reaching that with the people benefiting from weaponizing Facebook.
- mmooss 2y ago
  > Facebook is not the same there as it is here. It's not just a fun app you use, it's a huge part of how African and Asian countries interface with the internet. Could you give a little more detail about what that means?
  - tim-kt 2y ago
    At least in Africa, Facebook is responsible for a large part of internet accessibility. One can say that, in Africa, "Facebook is the internet" [0]. I can't comment on Asia. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jan/20/facebook-second-life-the-unstoppable-rise-of-the-tech-company-in-africa https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jan/20/facebook-...

SauciestGNU 2y ago

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Duwensatzaj 2y ago
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- SauciestGNU 2y ago
  I don't. The dissolution of a state implies nothing about the disposition of its people or a violent end to said state.
  - iddan 2y ago
    Easily overlooking the holocaust, the farhud and the pogroms. Israel was founded because Jewish people were not safe without a state.
    - SauciestGNU 2y ago
      Jewish people were unsafe because of antisemites and antisemitism, not because they lacked an ethnostate. The diaspora also deserves safety, with or without an Israel.
      - edanm 2y ago
        > Jewish people were unsafe because of antisemites and antisemitism, not because they lacked an ethnostate. 1. Unfortunately, antisemitism is alive and well. 2. It is an unfortunate reality that Jews in particular have been persecuted throughout history. But I think it's true that most people want a state of their own, to protect them and to live in the way that they want to live. This is the source of most modern countries/states - some ethnicity with on some specific land deciding to turn it into their state. The only reason Jews were different was because they were ethnically cleansed by the Roman empire from their own land, and dispersed across the entire Jewish diaspora. This made their situation worse than most ethnicities, made them even more in need of a land to call their own. > The diaspora also deserves safety, with or without an Israel. Of course. Everyone deserves safety. I wish everyone got what they deserved. But we don't get rid of the police force because "no one deserves to be murdered". The world doesn't run just on what people deserves.