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I'm the odd person out, I actually don't mind it. Yeah it's inconvenient for about a few days, but I prefer being awake during the sunlight of the winter.

School-Cotton 2y ago
Why not just wake up an hour earlier, then?
- mindcrime 2y ago
  A lot of people don't have the freedom to live their lives by scheduling around when the sun is up. Very large swathes of the population are tied to jobs with strict hours that they are required to be physically present somewhere (or at least online) and don't have a lot of room to flex from that. That limits their ability to take advantage of the longer summertime days by just "get up earlier" or "just leave work early" or what-not. Me, I would love to see DST made permanent for that exact reason: I want the most available daylight after I can leave my job, so I have light for mountain biking, fishing, etc. But that's just me.
  - School-Cotton 2y ago
    Okay, but won’t whatever cultural forces caused your job to be 9-5 (or whatever) under standard time eventually cause it to drift to 10-6 under +1 offset time, and then you haven’t gained anything? At that point will we offset by another hour, and so on ad infinitum? I sometimes feel like arguments advocating for permanent DST think there’s something magical about the numbers “9” and “5” that made the 9-5 workday the standard, (rather than “three hours before midday” and “five hours after midday”), so that if we just change what times 9 and 5 refer to, things will work out…
    - floxy 2y ago
      I'm curious what factors might cause the job start time to drift? Isn't this a coordination problem? You want all of you employees to start at the same time, so the assembly line can keep operating. All the kids start school at the same time, so they can all be instructed at the same time.
    - mindcrime 2y ago
      Okay, but won’t whatever cultural forces caused your job to be 9-5 (or whatever) under standard time eventually cause it to drift to 10-6 under +1 offset time, and then you haven’t gained anything? Sure, probably. But how does that help me today? Of course I'm not literally just talking about myself per-se, but I expect that line of thought is how most people would view this. Who wants to wait a couple of years[1] for schedule drift to allow them to live a normal life? [1]: would it actually be that long? I have no idea, TBH. But from a risk aversion viewpoint, one would probably prefer to already known scenario that optimizes for available sunlight after work.
- exabrial 2y ago
  other commenters nailed it: my job doesn't change its hours
  - School-Cotton 2y ago
    Why do you think your job has the hours it does?
zamadatix 2y ago
Support is more half and half than you might think, even historically. https://news.gallup.com/poll/657584/half-daylight-saving-time-sunsetted.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/657584/half-daylight-saving-tim...
astonex 2y ago
After having lived in a country for a while that doesn't change its clocks, coming back to a country that still does has emphasised how annoying and archaic changing the clocks is. It also doesn't help that countries don't even change clocks on the same date. We need to just stop it. After the first year everyone will forget it was even a thing.
dzhiurgis 2y ago
I’m in NZ and we changed went into winter time. My kids now wake up 6AM, 3 hours before school…

School-Cotton 2y ago

Why not just wake up an hour earlier, then?

mindcrime 2y ago
A lot of people don't have the freedom to live their lives by scheduling around when the sun is up. Very large swathes of the population are tied to jobs with strict hours that they are required to be physically present somewhere (or at least online) and don't have a lot of room to flex from that. That limits their ability to take advantage of the longer summertime days by just "get up earlier" or "just leave work early" or what-not. Me, I would love to see DST made permanent for that exact reason: I want the most available daylight after I can leave my job, so I have light for mountain biking, fishing, etc. But that's just me.
- School-Cotton 2y ago
  Okay, but won’t whatever cultural forces caused your job to be 9-5 (or whatever) under standard time eventually cause it to drift to 10-6 under +1 offset time, and then you haven’t gained anything? At that point will we offset by another hour, and so on ad infinitum? I sometimes feel like arguments advocating for permanent DST think there’s something magical about the numbers “9” and “5” that made the 9-5 workday the standard, (rather than “three hours before midday” and “five hours after midday”), so that if we just change what times 9 and 5 refer to, things will work out…
  - floxy 2y ago
    I'm curious what factors might cause the job start time to drift? Isn't this a coordination problem? You want all of you employees to start at the same time, so the assembly line can keep operating. All the kids start school at the same time, so they can all be instructed at the same time.
  - mindcrime 2y ago
    Okay, but won’t whatever cultural forces caused your job to be 9-5 (or whatever) under standard time eventually cause it to drift to 10-6 under +1 offset time, and then you haven’t gained anything? Sure, probably. But how does that help me today? Of course I'm not literally just talking about myself per-se, but I expect that line of thought is how most people would view this. Who wants to wait a couple of years[1] for schedule drift to allow them to live a normal life? [1]: would it actually be that long? I have no idea, TBH. But from a risk aversion viewpoint, one would probably prefer to already known scenario that optimizes for available sunlight after work.
exabrial 2y ago
other commenters nailed it: my job doesn't change its hours
- School-Cotton 2y ago
  Why do you think your job has the hours it does?

zamadatix 2y ago

Support is more half and half than you might think, even historically. https://news.gallup.com/poll/657584/half-daylight-saving-time-sunsetted.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/657584/half-daylight-saving-tim...

astonex 2y ago

After having lived in a country for a while that doesn't change its clocks, coming back to a country that still does has emphasised how annoying and archaic changing the clocks is. It also doesn't help that countries don't even change clocks on the same date. We need to just stop it. After the first year everyone will forget it was even a thing.

dzhiurgis 2y ago

I’m in NZ and we changed went into winter time. My kids now wake up 6AM, 3 hours before school…