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You’re not arrested for posting this, so that is a pretty big difference to Russia (and other authoritarian nations like China and Turkey), no? https://rsf.org

You’re not arrested for posting this, so that is a pretty big difference to Russia (and other authoritarian nations like China and Turkey), no? https://rsf.org/en/country/russia https://rsf.org/en/country/russia

Cyph0n 1y ago
You do realize that this is where things are going, right? Have you not heard of the arrests and recent deportations of student protestors? I don’t understand why we keep forgetting that authoritarianism is a slippery slope.
- uniqueuid 1y ago
  You have a point with democratic backsliding - but then your rights hinge on the impartiality of the judicial system (as a whole, and eventually, not necessarily individual decisions evidently). It’s pretty obvious that the legal systems even in flawed democracies is still vastly better than in those autocracies.
  - Cyph0n 1y ago
    A tale as old as time: watch from the sidelines while things are relatively “good” before suddenly finding yourself on the naughty list.
  - ethbr1 1y ago
    Checks and balances are a crucial feature of American democracy. It's almost as though the framers of the Constitution foresaw the possibility of the two elected branches of government (executive and legislative) being monopolized by the same group, at some point. And that the very flexibility of regular, open, direct elections also required a check to protect the fundamental rights of all people in the country.
    - candiddevmike 1y ago
      They may have foresaw it but they did little if anything to prevent it. They lamented that political parties would probably be the downfall, and here we are...
      - ethbr1 1y ago
        > little if anything to prevent it The prevention is literally in the Constitution! Do you think other branches of government would be deferring to the Supreme Court if it weren't spelled out that they must?
- BeetleB 1y ago
  > You do realize that this is where things are going, right? This has been going on for decades. > Have you not heard of the arrests and recent deportations of student protestors? The legality of which will be decided (hopefully) by the courts. If this turns out to be legal, the fault doesn't lie at the hands of Trump and his cronies, but at a broken system we've had - for decades. Getting rid of him won't solve this. Having checks and balances will. Much of his and Elon's actions are within the power that has been legally granted to them. And that is the problem. Congress is not limiting those powers. Voters are another part of checks and balances, and they happily wanted to give him those powers. The problem isn't Trump. It's the country. Been broken for a while, but it took time for someone to clearly demonstrate how broken it is.
  - Cyph0n 1y ago
    Agreed. And nowhere did I say that the problem is Trump. I was simply using current events as proof that we are already in a bad state.
NoTeslaThrow 1y ago
Yea but there's also not much point in critiquing the government here. What we ever been able to do about it except riot? We can endlessly discuss the failures of government and as it stands I don't think we will never see these failures distinguish candidates in the voting booth. Which is confusing, because you'd think the democrats would have wanted to win this time.
pydry 1y ago
Yea people are actually https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3rnzp4ye5zo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3rnzp4ye5zo The western endorsement of the genocide in Gaza has been some of the best PR Putin could ever have hoped for. It simultaneously underlined the viciousness, the lack of moral credibility and extreme hypocrisy of western leaders in the eyes of the nonaligned world (e.g. the global south), none of whom sanctioned him.
perihelions 1y ago
America's arrested rather a large number of people in recent weeks—university students, mostly—for expressing viewpoints on the I/P conflict. The current Administration is claiming, and no one's yet stopped them, that First Amendment rights don't apply to non-citizens such as international students. - "You’re not arrested for posting this" For what it's worth, it's widely reported that ICE is trawling social media to find targets (targeted for their speech/viewpoints). HN itself is one of their known targets.
- bcrosby95 1y ago
  It doesn't matter if they're citizens or not if the government is skipping court thus not being required to prove it either way. Then when they oopsie you to another country they have to at least try to pretend to get you back but the courts need to show "deference owed to the executive branch in the conduct of foreign affairs". Which is a long way of saying the executive can blackhole anyone it wants to a foreign country and no one is going to do anything because god forbid we step on the executive's role to give up people in our country to other countries.
  - aeternum 1y ago
    >Which is a long way of saying the executive can blackhole anyone it wants Do you have examples of the executive doing this to citizens or are you being hypothetical here? Countries generally grant far fewer rights to non-citizens. Have you considered how allowing non-citizens to spread discontent within a country could be abused?
    - perihelions 1y ago
      - "Do you have examples of the executive doing this to citizens or are you being hypothetical here?" "Do you have examples of this severity-11 CVE being used in the wild, or are you just being hypothetical here?" It's a horrifically exploitable bug, were it left unpatched. It's not some fringe conspiracy theory that this is how the law works and how the law would work on contact with US citizens; the Garcia SCOTUS concurrence explicitly underscored this perversity, - "The Government’s argument, moreover, implies that it could deport and incarcerate any person, including U.S. citizens [sic!], without legal consequence, so long as it does so before a court can intervene... That view refutes itself." https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a949_lkhn.pdf https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a949_lkhn.pdf
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moogly 1y ago
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/02/us/israel-protesters-us-students-deport/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/02/us/israel-protesters-us-s...
ath3nd 1y ago
> You’re not arrested for posting this Your funds might be cut off though: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/07/trump-universities-us-funding-europe https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/07/trump-... Or your president might declare a wartime law to deport all the immigrants: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp34ylep987o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp34ylep987o Or you, a honors student (but not a citizen) might find yourself in an unmarked van if you dared to question the powers that be. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czrn57340xlo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czrn57340xlo Sure it happens to immigrants only for now, brings memory to this poem: First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
- abeppu 1y ago
  > Sure it happens to immigrants only for now ... and they're trying to end birthright citizenship. I.e. people who are literally not immigrants (were born here and perhaps have never lived anywhere else) are already being lined up for this.
- throwing_away 1y ago
  It's not unreasonable to see the situation as "Then they came for the Jews, and the administration finally deported the people who were coming for the Jews". The president's literal argument for doing it is that the activist groups are coming for all of American life. I'm not a big fan of either side's rhetoric, but clearly the horseshoe has become a ring.
  - ath3nd 1y ago
    > I'm not a big fan of either side's rhetoric, but clearly the horseshoe has become a ring. Either side? Tell me which "side" does that sound like? - hostility towards non traditional sexuality - immigration being used as the scapegoat for economic problems - strong feeling of national exceptionalism - assault on women's productivity rights - politicizing of science - deportation for political reasons - "Roman" salutes It brings parallels with some things happening in Europe some time ago. > activist groups are coming for all of American life. I wonder who's actually going for all of American life though. Let's take Birthright citizenship, which has been established in 1868. Is that American life enough for you? "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." And guess who goes against this American way of life value? An orange grandpa married to an immigrant. You really can't make this up. https://www.npr.org/2025/03/14/nx-s1-5327552/trump-takes-birthright-citizenship-to-the-supreme-court https://www.npr.org/2025/03/14/nx-s1-5327552/trump-takes-bir...
aprilthird2021 1y ago
Right. We don't have to arrest. We can just disappear anything you say critical of our masters, I mean, our overlords, I mean, our government, I mean, a foreign government, I mean, a foreign government that hacks American companies and sells the hacks to Middle Eastern dictators who breed an ideology that trained people to attack our own country, I mean...
shihab 1y ago
As someone who came from a pretty authoritarian country- let me assure you that people there do routinely criticize their government, mock them all the time. Governments often do not have the bandwidth to deal with the volume of criticism, and even when they do- they wisely realize that letting people vent a little online is better than complete crackdown. I myself routinely did this in Facebook, where many in my friend list were government employees and (ex-ruling) party members. I am in fact far more afraid of pro-palestine speech from USA as an immigrant than I was in my home country- and please trust me I am not exaggerating here.
- selectodude 1y ago
  >I am in fact far more afraid of pro-palestine speech from USA as an immigrant than I was in my home country- and please trust me I am not exaggerating here. I would have laughed at this until pretty recently. How wrong I was.
  - int_19h 1y ago
    It's not just non-citizens, either. Look into denaturalization and all the fascination with it in pro-Trump circles lately.
- fundad 1y ago
  Do you mean pro-Palestinian sentiments scare you or are you afraid of expressing pro-Palestinian sentiment?
  - MPSFounder 1y ago
    Likely he means expressing any pro-Palestine sentiments. Doxxing is very common and if Ivy League deans were taken down, immigrants are likely to be deported for expressing any empathy towards the Palestinian.
    - fundad 1y ago
      Yes that is a very legitimate fear. But the people doing the doxxing complain that any criticism of Ire* for their war crimes makes them feel like there is no place they are safe, I don't buy it but the complainants have a lot of allies.
hurtuvac78 1y ago
Actually now US citizens are impacted too. Michigan-based attorney Amir Makled [a US citizen] was detained by federal immigration agents while returning home from a family vacation https://www.npr.org/2025/04/09/nx-s1-5357455/attorney-detained-by-immigration-authorities https://www.npr.org/2025/04/09/nx-s1-5357455/attorney-detain...
- intermerda 1y ago
  They've discussed deporting US citizens to gulags - https://truthout.org/articles/white-house-press-sec-says-trumps-seriously-considering-deporting-u-s-citizens/ https://truthout.org/articles/white-house-press-sec-says-tru...
- BeetleB 1y ago
  He was detained at immigration. This happens all the time, and has been happening routinely since 2001. (Not saying it's good or anything - just not new).
  - cma 1y ago
    Freest country, hardly anyone lives within 100 miles of the coast I'm sure https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/border-zone https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/border-zone
  - tdeck 1y ago
    The authoritarian future isn't evenly distributed. Some groups of people have been dealing with it for decades, while others are in for a surprise.
testing22321 1y ago
If you post it and nobody ever sees it, that is functionally the same result as not being allowed to post it.
tdeck 1y ago
> and other authoritarian nations like China and Turkey And Israel, where a history teacher was arrested for making a post on Facebook: https://www.democracynow.org/2023/11/22/meir_baruchin https://www.democracynow.org/2023/11/22/meir_baruchin
- aprilthird2021 1y ago
  This Israeli as well, had everything taken from her for 4 IG posts: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/03/magazine/israel-free-speech.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/03/magazine/israel-free-spee...
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ajsnigrutin 1y ago
I think UK leads here: https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/54123/were-over-3-000-persons-arrested-in-britain-for-social-media-posts-in-2018 https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/54123/were-over... (many links in the responses and comments, eg: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-facebook-and-twitter-posts-soar-in-london-a7064246.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-... - " 625 arrests were made for alleged section 127 offences in 2010 " just in london)
rozap 1y ago
He could have his visa revoked though.
newaccountlol 1y ago
People who have spoken out against the genocidal apartheid regime are being black-bagged in the street by plainclothes officers all across the United States. The gap between the supposedly enlightened West and Russia grows smaller by the day.
Hikikomori 1y ago
They don't need to arrest him because the narrative is already controlled, as shown by the article, and by going to any traditional news site.
anonair 1y ago
Why arrest if you can silence?
garyrob 1y ago
As someone said above, "America's arrested rather a large number of people in recent weeks—university students, mostly—for expressing viewpoints on the I/P conflict. The current Administration is claiming, and no one's yet stopped them, that First Amendment rights don't apply to non-citizens such as international students." America is changing. What was true before isn't necessarily true now, and may get worse, depending on election outcomes.
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hsuduebc2 1y ago
Well, Israelis are not abruptly incompetent and culturally allergic to progress, with a predictable habit of grovelling to whichever tyrant comes next — but they certainly do share some methods.
- aprilthird2021 1y ago
  > Israelis are not abruptly incompetent and culturally allergic to progress, with a predictable habit of grovelling to whichever tyrant comes next I can't tell what you mean by this? Is it sarcasm? Is there another group who is like this?
  - hsuduebc2 1y ago
    Oh, I see. The parent comment was referring to russia, but the replies got so long that it's hardly noticeable. I should have mentioned it."
    - aprilthird2021 1y ago
      Still not sure what you mention. Hard to say that Israelis don't grovel to whatever tyrant comes next when they are currently ruled by a tyrant who would rather endanger his citizens and commit war crimes than gold and election he knows he'll lose. Also they have elected him over and over again despite how he endangers them and funded their current biggest enemy Hamas, in a cynical ploy to weaken his more moderate opposition at the time, the PA
      - hsuduebc2 1y ago
        I understand, but I don't perceive them as tyrants in the "Russian" sense. That’s not to excuse anything, of course. There’s this strange tendency among Russians to almost embrace suffering—and to try to drag everyone else down with them. It’s as if it doesn’t matter that they live in poverty or that their country is ravaged by oligarchs and mafia. What matters is that Russia is big and strong. That seems to be their default mindset. But back to my original point. A few days ago, I happened to come across some pro-Israel propaganda, and honestly, I was stunned. It was just an Instagram profile claiming to be part of a pro-Israel lobbying organization, but the content was deeply disturbing. They were pushing a heavily distorted narrative, even going so far as to post photos and names of students, accusing them of supporting terrorism. It was all incredibly manipulative. The presentation was slick and more polished than rusias work of course, but the whole thing strongly reminded me of their methods.
colordrops 1y ago
My wife deleted all her social media posts because she's a green card holder. Let's stop mincing words.
NoOn3 1y ago
If you are not constantly posting fake and not recieve money from foreign entities you are not being arested at all in Russia. You may get a fine, and that's not always the case.
- graemep 1y ago
  Claiming people are being funded by "foreign entities" is one of the commonest excuses dictatorships use for persecution. I do not know what the state of free speech in Russia is, but that explanation is not credible.
  - NoOn3 1y ago
    In today's world, it's all complicated, to tell the truth. If you think very deeply, then with the help of foreign money, if there is a lot of it, you can even destroy the country without doing anything illegal, just paying for advertising and comments with coverage of only facts that are beneficial to you and excluding the unprofitable ones. People often think that bot farms are only from Russia and China, but on the other side, paid commenters are also used. Unfortunately, it will only get worse with modern AI.
- int_19h 1y ago
  "Fake" like calling the "special military operation" a war of aggression?
  - NoOn3 1y ago
    For me, there is not much difference between these names. Anyway, choosing a name doesn't change the actual events... Yes it's not good. But it's bad saying only about war aggression and not saying at all about bloody coup and bloody nationlist crimes.
    - NoOn3 1y ago
      It's all very complicated there is no ideal side. I'm sorry if I offended anyone.
yatopifo 1y ago
Any difference is going to disappear in only a few years. What matters is the direction the US taking. This happened to Russia about 14 years ago, and it’s happening to the US now.
flexagoon 1y ago
Not really, I'm Russian currently located in Russia and I can openly say that I hate our government. Though it would obviously be much worse if I actually had a big audience, in which case yeah there may be repercussions

Cyph0n 1y ago

You do realize that this is where things are going, right? Have you not heard of the arrests and recent deportations of student protestors? I don’t understand why we keep forgetting that authoritarianism is a slippery slope.

uniqueuid 1y ago
You have a point with democratic backsliding - but then your rights hinge on the impartiality of the judicial system (as a whole, and eventually, not necessarily individual decisions evidently). It’s pretty obvious that the legal systems even in flawed democracies is still vastly better than in those autocracies.
- Cyph0n 1y ago
  A tale as old as time: watch from the sidelines while things are relatively “good” before suddenly finding yourself on the naughty list.
- ethbr1 1y ago
  Checks and balances are a crucial feature of American democracy. It's almost as though the framers of the Constitution foresaw the possibility of the two elected branches of government (executive and legislative) being monopolized by the same group, at some point. And that the very flexibility of regular, open, direct elections also required a check to protect the fundamental rights of all people in the country.
  - candiddevmike 1y ago
    They may have foresaw it but they did little if anything to prevent it. They lamented that political parties would probably be the downfall, and here we are...
    - ethbr1 1y ago
      > little if anything to prevent it The prevention is literally in the Constitution! Do you think other branches of government would be deferring to the Supreme Court if it weren't spelled out that they must?
BeetleB 1y ago
> You do realize that this is where things are going, right? This has been going on for decades. > Have you not heard of the arrests and recent deportations of student protestors? The legality of which will be decided (hopefully) by the courts. If this turns out to be legal, the fault doesn't lie at the hands of Trump and his cronies, but at a broken system we've had - for decades. Getting rid of him won't solve this. Having checks and balances will. Much of his and Elon's actions are within the power that has been legally granted to them. And that is the problem. Congress is not limiting those powers. Voters are another part of checks and balances, and they happily wanted to give him those powers. The problem isn't Trump. It's the country. Been broken for a while, but it took time for someone to clearly demonstrate how broken it is.
- Cyph0n 1y ago
  Agreed. And nowhere did I say that the problem is Trump. I was simply using current events as proof that we are already in a bad state.

NoTeslaThrow 1y ago

Yea but there's also not much point in critiquing the government here. What we ever been able to do about it except riot? We can endlessly discuss the failures of government and as it stands I don't think we will never see these failures distinguish candidates in the voting booth. Which is confusing, because you'd think the democrats would have wanted to win this time.

pydry 1y ago

Yea people are actually https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3rnzp4ye5zo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3rnzp4ye5zo The western endorsement of the genocide in Gaza has been some of the best PR Putin could ever have hoped for. It simultaneously underlined the viciousness, the lack of moral credibility and extreme hypocrisy of western leaders in the eyes of the nonaligned world (e.g. the global south), none of whom sanctioned him.

perihelions 1y ago

America's arrested rather a large number of people in recent weeks—university students, mostly—for expressing viewpoints on the I/P conflict. The current Administration is claiming, and no one's yet stopped them, that First Amendment rights don't apply to non-citizens such as international students. - "You’re not arrested for posting this" For what it's worth, it's widely reported that ICE is trawling social media to find targets (targeted for their speech/viewpoints). HN itself is one of their known targets.

bcrosby95 1y ago
It doesn't matter if they're citizens or not if the government is skipping court thus not being required to prove it either way. Then when they oopsie you to another country they have to at least try to pretend to get you back but the courts need to show "deference owed to the executive branch in the conduct of foreign affairs". Which is a long way of saying the executive can blackhole anyone it wants to a foreign country and no one is going to do anything because god forbid we step on the executive's role to give up people in our country to other countries.
- aeternum 1y ago
  >Which is a long way of saying the executive can blackhole anyone it wants Do you have examples of the executive doing this to citizens or are you being hypothetical here? Countries generally grant far fewer rights to non-citizens. Have you considered how allowing non-citizens to spread discontent within a country could be abused?
  - perihelions 1y ago
    - "Do you have examples of the executive doing this to citizens or are you being hypothetical here?" "Do you have examples of this severity-11 CVE being used in the wild, or are you just being hypothetical here?" It's a horrifically exploitable bug, were it left unpatched. It's not some fringe conspiracy theory that this is how the law works and how the law would work on contact with US citizens; the Garcia SCOTUS concurrence explicitly underscored this perversity, - "The Government’s argument, moreover, implies that it could deport and incarcerate any person, including U.S. citizens [sic!], without legal consequence, so long as it does so before a court can intervene... That view refutes itself." https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a949_lkhn.pdf https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a949_lkhn.pdf

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moogly 1y ago

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/02/us/israel-protesters-us-students-deport/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/02/us/israel-protesters-us-s...

ath3nd 1y ago

> You’re not arrested for posting this Your funds might be cut off though: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/07/trump-universities-us-funding-europe https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/07/trump-... Or your president might declare a wartime law to deport all the immigrants: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp34ylep987o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp34ylep987o Or you, a honors student (but not a citizen) might find yourself in an unmarked van if you dared to question the powers that be. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czrn57340xlo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czrn57340xlo Sure it happens to immigrants only for now, brings memory to this poem: First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

abeppu 1y ago
> Sure it happens to immigrants only for now ... and they're trying to end birthright citizenship. I.e. people who are literally not immigrants (were born here and perhaps have never lived anywhere else) are already being lined up for this.
throwing_away 1y ago
It's not unreasonable to see the situation as "Then they came for the Jews, and the administration finally deported the people who were coming for the Jews". The president's literal argument for doing it is that the activist groups are coming for all of American life. I'm not a big fan of either side's rhetoric, but clearly the horseshoe has become a ring.
- ath3nd 1y ago
  > I'm not a big fan of either side's rhetoric, but clearly the horseshoe has become a ring. Either side? Tell me which "side" does that sound like? - hostility towards non traditional sexuality - immigration being used as the scapegoat for economic problems - strong feeling of national exceptionalism - assault on women's productivity rights - politicizing of science - deportation for political reasons - "Roman" salutes It brings parallels with some things happening in Europe some time ago. > activist groups are coming for all of American life. I wonder who's actually going for all of American life though. Let's take Birthright citizenship, which has been established in 1868. Is that American life enough for you? "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." And guess who goes against this American way of life value? An orange grandpa married to an immigrant. You really can't make this up. https://www.npr.org/2025/03/14/nx-s1-5327552/trump-takes-birthright-citizenship-to-the-supreme-court https://www.npr.org/2025/03/14/nx-s1-5327552/trump-takes-bir...

aprilthird2021 1y ago

Right. We don't have to arrest. We can just disappear anything you say critical of our masters, I mean, our overlords, I mean, our government, I mean, a foreign government, I mean, a foreign government that hacks American companies and sells the hacks to Middle Eastern dictators who breed an ideology that trained people to attack our own country, I mean...

shihab 1y ago

As someone who came from a pretty authoritarian country- let me assure you that people there do routinely criticize their government, mock them all the time. Governments often do not have the bandwidth to deal with the volume of criticism, and even when they do- they wisely realize that letting people vent a little online is better than complete crackdown. I myself routinely did this in Facebook, where many in my friend list were government employees and (ex-ruling) party members. I am in fact far more afraid of pro-palestine speech from USA as an immigrant than I was in my home country- and please trust me I am not exaggerating here.

selectodude 1y ago
>I am in fact far more afraid of pro-palestine speech from USA as an immigrant than I was in my home country- and please trust me I am not exaggerating here. I would have laughed at this until pretty recently. How wrong I was.
- int_19h 1y ago
  It's not just non-citizens, either. Look into denaturalization and all the fascination with it in pro-Trump circles lately.
fundad 1y ago
Do you mean pro-Palestinian sentiments scare you or are you afraid of expressing pro-Palestinian sentiment?
- MPSFounder 1y ago
  Likely he means expressing any pro-Palestine sentiments. Doxxing is very common and if Ivy League deans were taken down, immigrants are likely to be deported for expressing any empathy towards the Palestinian.
  - fundad 1y ago
    Yes that is a very legitimate fear. But the people doing the doxxing complain that any criticism of Ire* for their war crimes makes them feel like there is no place they are safe, I don't buy it but the complainants have a lot of allies.

hurtuvac78 1y ago

Actually now US citizens are impacted too. Michigan-based attorney Amir Makled [a US citizen] was detained by federal immigration agents while returning home from a family vacation https://www.npr.org/2025/04/09/nx-s1-5357455/attorney-detained-by-immigration-authorities https://www.npr.org/2025/04/09/nx-s1-5357455/attorney-detain...

intermerda 1y ago
They've discussed deporting US citizens to gulags - https://truthout.org/articles/white-house-press-sec-says-trumps-seriously-considering-deporting-u-s-citizens/ https://truthout.org/articles/white-house-press-sec-says-tru...
BeetleB 1y ago
He was detained at immigration. This happens all the time, and has been happening routinely since 2001. (Not saying it's good or anything - just not new).
- cma 1y ago
  Freest country, hardly anyone lives within 100 miles of the coast I'm sure https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/border-zone https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/border-zone
- tdeck 1y ago
  The authoritarian future isn't evenly distributed. Some groups of people have been dealing with it for decades, while others are in for a surprise.

testing22321 1y ago

If you post it and nobody ever sees it, that is functionally the same result as not being allowed to post it.

tdeck 1y ago

> and other authoritarian nations like China and Turkey And Israel, where a history teacher was arrested for making a post on Facebook: https://www.democracynow.org/2023/11/22/meir_baruchin https://www.democracynow.org/2023/11/22/meir_baruchin

aprilthird2021 1y ago
This Israeli as well, had everything taken from her for 4 IG posts: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/03/magazine/israel-free-speech.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/03/magazine/israel-free-spee...

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ajsnigrutin 1y ago

I think UK leads here: https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/54123/were-over-3-000-persons-arrested-in-britain-for-social-media-posts-in-2018 https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/54123/were-over... (many links in the responses and comments, eg: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-facebook-and-twitter-posts-soar-in-london-a7064246.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-... - " 625 arrests were made for alleged section 127 offences in 2010 " just in london)

rozap 1y ago

He could have his visa revoked though.

newaccountlol 1y ago

People who have spoken out against the genocidal apartheid regime are being black-bagged in the street by plainclothes officers all across the United States. The gap between the supposedly enlightened West and Russia grows smaller by the day.

Hikikomori 1y ago

They don't need to arrest him because the narrative is already controlled, as shown by the article, and by going to any traditional news site.

anonair 1y ago

Why arrest if you can silence?

garyrob 1y ago

As someone said above, "America's arrested rather a large number of people in recent weeks—university students, mostly—for expressing viewpoints on the I/P conflict. The current Administration is claiming, and no one's yet stopped them, that First Amendment rights don't apply to non-citizens such as international students." America is changing. What was true before isn't necessarily true now, and may get worse, depending on election outcomes.

Viliam1234 1y ago

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hsuduebc2 1y ago

Well, Israelis are not abruptly incompetent and culturally allergic to progress, with a predictable habit of grovelling to whichever tyrant comes next — but they certainly do share some methods.

aprilthird2021 1y ago
> Israelis are not abruptly incompetent and culturally allergic to progress, with a predictable habit of grovelling to whichever tyrant comes next I can't tell what you mean by this? Is it sarcasm? Is there another group who is like this?
- hsuduebc2 1y ago
  Oh, I see. The parent comment was referring to russia, but the replies got so long that it's hardly noticeable. I should have mentioned it."
  - aprilthird2021 1y ago
    Still not sure what you mention. Hard to say that Israelis don't grovel to whatever tyrant comes next when they are currently ruled by a tyrant who would rather endanger his citizens and commit war crimes than gold and election he knows he'll lose. Also they have elected him over and over again despite how he endangers them and funded their current biggest enemy Hamas, in a cynical ploy to weaken his more moderate opposition at the time, the PA
    - hsuduebc2 1y ago
      I understand, but I don't perceive them as tyrants in the "Russian" sense. That’s not to excuse anything, of course. There’s this strange tendency among Russians to almost embrace suffering—and to try to drag everyone else down with them. It’s as if it doesn’t matter that they live in poverty or that their country is ravaged by oligarchs and mafia. What matters is that Russia is big and strong. That seems to be their default mindset. But back to my original point. A few days ago, I happened to come across some pro-Israel propaganda, and honestly, I was stunned. It was just an Instagram profile claiming to be part of a pro-Israel lobbying organization, but the content was deeply disturbing. They were pushing a heavily distorted narrative, even going so far as to post photos and names of students, accusing them of supporting terrorism. It was all incredibly manipulative. The presentation was slick and more polished than rusias work of course, but the whole thing strongly reminded me of their methods.

colordrops 1y ago

My wife deleted all her social media posts because she's a green card holder. Let's stop mincing words.

NoOn3 1y ago

If you are not constantly posting fake and not recieve money from foreign entities you are not being arested at all in Russia. You may get a fine, and that's not always the case.

graemep 1y ago
Claiming people are being funded by "foreign entities" is one of the commonest excuses dictatorships use for persecution. I do not know what the state of free speech in Russia is, but that explanation is not credible.
- NoOn3 1y ago
  In today's world, it's all complicated, to tell the truth. If you think very deeply, then with the help of foreign money, if there is a lot of it, you can even destroy the country without doing anything illegal, just paying for advertising and comments with coverage of only facts that are beneficial to you and excluding the unprofitable ones. People often think that bot farms are only from Russia and China, but on the other side, paid commenters are also used. Unfortunately, it will only get worse with modern AI.
int_19h 1y ago
"Fake" like calling the "special military operation" a war of aggression?
- NoOn3 1y ago
  For me, there is not much difference between these names. Anyway, choosing a name doesn't change the actual events... Yes it's not good. But it's bad saying only about war aggression and not saying at all about bloody coup and bloody nationlist crimes.
  - NoOn3 1y ago
    It's all very complicated there is no ideal side. I'm sorry if I offended anyone.

yatopifo 1y ago

Any difference is going to disappear in only a few years. What matters is the direction the US taking. This happened to Russia about 14 years ago, and it’s happening to the US now.

flexagoon 1y ago

Not really, I'm Russian currently located in Russia and I can openly say that I hate our government. Though it would obviously be much worse if I actually had a big audience, in which case yeah there may be repercussions