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> There's a chasm between that and maintaining, iterating on a complex project. The can for sure maintain and iterate on smaller projects -- which millions of

> There's a chasm between that and maintaining, iterating on a complex project. The can for sure maintain and iterate on smaller projects -- which millions of people are happily feeding into them as training data. Going from a project with 1,000 to 1,000,000 lines of code is a tiny leap compared to going from 0 to 1000. Once your argument is based on scale then you pretty much lost to the robots. I'm not saying they are going to invent some free energy source (other than using humans as batteries) anytime soon but when the argument is "you're going to be blindsided" and the response shows, and I'm not trying to be insulting or anything like that, willful ignorance of the facts on the ground I'm going to say you probably will be blindsided when they take your app writing job or whatever. I'm not attacking you at all just saying that there's a bunch of people who chose to keep their heads in the sand and hope this all just goes away.

rowanseymour 1y ago
I'm sure there are lots of engineers who don't want to change but I don't feel I'm one of those. I use copilot every day. I'm leading integrating our product with different LLMs and playing with those regularly. And yet I feel more secure in my job today than I did a year ago because I'm constantly hitting the limits of what a language model can do. I've realized that the decisions I make every day as a senior engineer aren't mostly about what lines of code usually come after each other.
beautron 1y ago
> Going from a project with 1,000 to 1,000,000 lines of code is a tiny leap compared to going from 0 to 1000. Are you sure the leap is tiny? It's a much easier problem to get only 1,000 lines of code to be correct, because the lines only have to be consistent with each other.
- rowanseymour 1y ago
  Right, and projects that are millions lines of code usually aren't even one codebase or one app or service.

rowanseymour 1y ago

I'm sure there are lots of engineers who don't want to change but I don't feel I'm one of those. I use copilot every day. I'm leading integrating our product with different LLMs and playing with those regularly. And yet I feel more secure in my job today than I did a year ago because I'm constantly hitting the limits of what a language model can do. I've realized that the decisions I make every day as a senior engineer aren't mostly about what lines of code usually come after each other.

beautron 1y ago

> Going from a project with 1,000 to 1,000,000 lines of code is a tiny leap compared to going from 0 to 1000. Are you sure the leap is tiny? It's a much easier problem to get only 1,000 lines of code to be correct, because the lines only have to be consistent with each other.

rowanseymour 1y ago
Right, and projects that are millions lines of code usually aren't even one codebase or one app or service.