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Bluesky audience is certain kind, more left leaning, finding corporations evil. Adobe's experiment shows that it is unlikely any big corp could go there any tim

Bluesky audience is certain kind, more left leaning, finding corporations evil. Adobe's experiment shows that it is unlikely any big corp could go there any time until the audience is more diverse, less cancel culture.

pm90 2y ago
The reaction seems specific to Adobe which has (probably) not been a good steward of its role as a tool for creatives. I don’t think other big corps would get that reaction.
- jsheard 2y ago
  Exactly, compare and contrast how bsky users engage with an Adobe peer that creatives are on good terms with. https://bsky.app/profile/procreate.com/post/3llfkv3mqas2s https://bsky.app/profile/procreate.com/post/3llfkv3mqas2s
  - slowmovintarget 2y ago
    That post seems an awful lot like pandering to the crowd there. More adroit PR, perhaps.
    - cosmic_cheese 2y ago
      That’s part of it, but it helps a lot that Procreate’s both extremely affordable and a single purchase. That’s a great combo when your target audience are artists, a crowd that is generally pretty cash-strapped. Creative Cloud’s cost is actually pretty steep over time. It also helps that when Procreate adds features, it’s always stuff that’s desired by a large chunk of their users and is broadly useful. Contrast this to e.g. Photoshop, where for many of us eliminating 98% of the new features added since CS2 would make no material difference in day to day usage. Adobe would be well served by building “heirloom” versions of their tools that are single-purchase, affordable, and have a fixed CS1/CS2-ish feature set with all development thereafter being put into optimization, stability, etc. That’d be plenty for even many commercial artists, let alone “prosumers” and more casual users.
DrillShopper 2y ago
Not particularly. What they do seem to have is a more artist-heavy community, and that community has been fucked over by Adobe over the last decade or so.
- samlinnfer 2y ago
  The most artist heavy platform is twitter.
  - chowells 2y ago
    Not anymore. Twitter has worked very hard to drive artists away. And succeeded!
phillipcarter 2y ago
My dude have you not been on twitter ever?
netsharc 2y ago
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skybrian 2y ago
My guess is that most Bluesky users are doing their own thing and never noticed this until after it was over and appeared in the news. But it does seem like there is a large crowd of nasty people in Bluesky, and that seems like a bad sign.
drooopy 2y ago
I don't know if I would refer to Adobe as being evil, but they're definitely one of the shittiest software companies in existence. And I'm 100% convinced that they would receive the same type of welcome if they made a xshitter account today.
rsynnott 2y ago
Adobe is special. They have a pretty narrow specific audience who are kinda stuck with them, and who they’ve spent the last decade industriously pissing off. Bluesky _is_ less tolerant than Twitter of “hello, we’re a brand, aren’t we wonderful/funny”, but I think this particular reaction is more about it being Adobe than anything else.
0xEF 2y ago
> more diverse, less cancel culture I love when people use this to mean "more white and conservative." Bluesky users lean toward hating corporate greed. Adobe is greedy as fuck. Simple as. They and companies like them can stay off.
- ChocolateGod 2y ago
  Are you claiming cancel culture isn't real?
  - gdulli 2y ago
    "Cancel culture" is just a term we started using to cope with seeing people we're sympathetic to being judged for their words or actions.
    - ChocolateGod 2y ago
      Yes, good idea trawling up things people said when they were dumb and young, which they don't even think or agree with today, and trying to cancel their career over it. Not to benefit society, but to make one feel good about themselves about the victory they achieved in ruining someones life.
      - danudey 2y ago
        "Hey, this dude posted something wildly, rabidly racist in public on main a while ago. Maybe we should reconsider what kind of person we think they are instead of just taking their word that they're 'not like that anymore' and aren't just better at hiding their real opinions that they know are unacceptable to voice in modern society." The people trotting out the phrase "cancel culture" as a boogeyman also tend to run around being apologists for racism, sexism, assault, or criminal behavior. Regardless of if you're actually upset about legitimate instances of people overreacting, the fact that the term "cancel culture" is used to complain about pedophiles or sexual predators actually suffering consequences makes it difficult to take any complaints seriously.

pm90 2y ago

The reaction seems specific to Adobe which has (probably) not been a good steward of its role as a tool for creatives. I don’t think other big corps would get that reaction.

jsheard 2y ago
Exactly, compare and contrast how bsky users engage with an Adobe peer that creatives are on good terms with. https://bsky.app/profile/procreate.com/post/3llfkv3mqas2s https://bsky.app/profile/procreate.com/post/3llfkv3mqas2s
- slowmovintarget 2y ago
  That post seems an awful lot like pandering to the crowd there. More adroit PR, perhaps.
  - cosmic_cheese 2y ago
    That’s part of it, but it helps a lot that Procreate’s both extremely affordable and a single purchase. That’s a great combo when your target audience are artists, a crowd that is generally pretty cash-strapped. Creative Cloud’s cost is actually pretty steep over time. It also helps that when Procreate adds features, it’s always stuff that’s desired by a large chunk of their users and is broadly useful. Contrast this to e.g. Photoshop, where for many of us eliminating 98% of the new features added since CS2 would make no material difference in day to day usage. Adobe would be well served by building “heirloom” versions of their tools that are single-purchase, affordable, and have a fixed CS1/CS2-ish feature set with all development thereafter being put into optimization, stability, etc. That’d be plenty for even many commercial artists, let alone “prosumers” and more casual users.

DrillShopper 2y ago

Not particularly. What they do seem to have is a more artist-heavy community, and that community has been fucked over by Adobe over the last decade or so.

samlinnfer 2y ago
The most artist heavy platform is twitter.
- chowells 2y ago
  Not anymore. Twitter has worked very hard to drive artists away. And succeeded!

phillipcarter 2y ago

My dude have you not been on twitter ever?

netsharc 2y ago

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skybrian 2y ago

My guess is that most Bluesky users are doing their own thing and never noticed this until after it was over and appeared in the news. But it does seem like there is a large crowd of nasty people in Bluesky, and that seems like a bad sign.

drooopy 2y ago

I don't know if I would refer to Adobe as being evil, but they're definitely one of the shittiest software companies in existence. And I'm 100% convinced that they would receive the same type of welcome if they made a xshitter account today.

rsynnott 2y ago

Adobe is special. They have a pretty narrow specific audience who are kinda stuck with them, and who they’ve spent the last decade industriously pissing off. Bluesky _is_ less tolerant than Twitter of “hello, we’re a brand, aren’t we wonderful/funny”, but I think this particular reaction is more about it being Adobe than anything else.

0xEF 2y ago

> more diverse, less cancel culture I love when people use this to mean "more white and conservative." Bluesky users lean toward hating corporate greed. Adobe is greedy as fuck. Simple as. They and companies like them can stay off.

ChocolateGod 2y ago
Are you claiming cancel culture isn't real?
- gdulli 2y ago
  "Cancel culture" is just a term we started using to cope with seeing people we're sympathetic to being judged for their words or actions.
  - ChocolateGod 2y ago
    Yes, good idea trawling up things people said when they were dumb and young, which they don't even think or agree with today, and trying to cancel their career over it. Not to benefit society, but to make one feel good about themselves about the victory they achieved in ruining someones life.
    - danudey 2y ago
      "Hey, this dude posted something wildly, rabidly racist in public on main a while ago. Maybe we should reconsider what kind of person we think they are instead of just taking their word that they're 'not like that anymore' and aren't just better at hiding their real opinions that they know are unacceptable to voice in modern society." The people trotting out the phrase "cancel culture" as a boogeyman also tend to run around being apologists for racism, sexism, assault, or criminal behavior. Regardless of if you're actually upset about legitimate instances of people overreacting, the fact that the term "cancel culture" is used to complain about pedophiles or sexual predators actually suffering consequences makes it difficult to take any complaints seriously.