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If you think 11 is bad, I bet 12 will be even worse. When 10 is unsupported and 12 is out, you will probably be reaching for 11 by then...

markus_zhang 2y ago
I'm already moving into Linux for one of my laptops. If the drivers and desktop experiences are good enough (or bad enough in Windows) I might move 100% to Linux in a few years.
- SirMaster 2y ago
  Fair enough! I am probably just projecting my own probable fate haha.
- specproc 2y ago
  I made the jump a few years ago and the experience has been largely great. Lots of learning, which has been half the fun, and no goddamn ads in my start menu. Totally usable as a daily driver, provided you don't need Windows only software. The year of linux on the desktop was probably about 2020.
  - wing-_-nuts 2y ago
    Steam's proton has made gaming on linux astoundingly good. The only thing that still needs improvement is mod support, as mod managers, game downgraders, bin patchers, some more involved mods involve little utilities written for windows that are not easily runnable on linux. It is slowly improving though. The steam deck has moved things forward in leaps and bounds.
    - SirMaster 2y ago
      It seems like basically all the games I play aren't supported on this unfortunately and it feels like they never will be.
      - joseda-hg 2y ago
        You do competitive games? Those have been so far Proton's biggest weakness, but that's usually less of a technical limitation and more of a company decision, which given enough pressure can be changed
        SirMaster 2y ago
        All I play are online multiplayer games so yeah. I play Battlefield 2042, Call of Duty Warzone, Apex Legends, PUBG, Rainbow 6 Siege, and Fortnite all somewhat regularly and none of these as far as I know work. The only games that I do play regularly that work are Counter Strike 2 and DotA. Though I can't use Faceit for CS2 which would be ideal.
        wing-_-nuts 2y ago
        Ah, see as a guy in my 40's, my reflexes just aren't what they used to be. I used to be lethal in my teens, but these days I tend to mainly play single player or coop games. If you play games that require kernel level anti-cheat, yeah those will probably never be supported on linux.
      - immibis 2y ago
        Force override it in the game settings. Works on 99% of games. Probably not multiplayer games with anti-cheat, because if you're not using a software chain fully validated by Microsoft then you're cheating.
  - DrillShopper 2y ago
    Even then, a VM can get you really far. If you need direct hardware access (like for gaming) then you can run a passthrough VM. You can do that even on a single video card system.
    - Teever 2y ago
      > You can do that even on a single video card system. Like with consumer video cards? Tell me more.
      - DrillShopper 2y ago
        With consumer video cards: https://github.com/martinopiaggi/Single-GPU-Passthrough-for-Dummies https://github.com/martinopiaggi/Single-GPU-Passthrough-for-... I don't believe you have to VBIOS patch anymore

markus_zhang 2y ago

I'm already moving into Linux for one of my laptops. If the drivers and desktop experiences are good enough (or bad enough in Windows) I might move 100% to Linux in a few years.

SirMaster 2y ago
Fair enough! I am probably just projecting my own probable fate haha.
specproc 2y ago
I made the jump a few years ago and the experience has been largely great. Lots of learning, which has been half the fun, and no goddamn ads in my start menu. Totally usable as a daily driver, provided you don't need Windows only software. The year of linux on the desktop was probably about 2020.
- wing-_-nuts 2y ago
  Steam's proton has made gaming on linux astoundingly good. The only thing that still needs improvement is mod support, as mod managers, game downgraders, bin patchers, some more involved mods involve little utilities written for windows that are not easily runnable on linux. It is slowly improving though. The steam deck has moved things forward in leaps and bounds.
  - SirMaster 2y ago
    It seems like basically all the games I play aren't supported on this unfortunately and it feels like they never will be.
    - joseda-hg 2y ago
      You do competitive games? Those have been so far Proton's biggest weakness, but that's usually less of a technical limitation and more of a company decision, which given enough pressure can be changed
      - SirMaster 2y ago
        All I play are online multiplayer games so yeah. I play Battlefield 2042, Call of Duty Warzone, Apex Legends, PUBG, Rainbow 6 Siege, and Fortnite all somewhat regularly and none of these as far as I know work. The only games that I do play regularly that work are Counter Strike 2 and DotA. Though I can't use Faceit for CS2 which would be ideal.
        wing-_-nuts 2y ago
        Ah, see as a guy in my 40's, my reflexes just aren't what they used to be. I used to be lethal in my teens, but these days I tend to mainly play single player or coop games. If you play games that require kernel level anti-cheat, yeah those will probably never be supported on linux.
    - immibis 2y ago
      Force override it in the game settings. Works on 99% of games. Probably not multiplayer games with anti-cheat, because if you're not using a software chain fully validated by Microsoft then you're cheating.
- DrillShopper 2y ago
  Even then, a VM can get you really far. If you need direct hardware access (like for gaming) then you can run a passthrough VM. You can do that even on a single video card system.
  - Teever 2y ago
    > You can do that even on a single video card system. Like with consumer video cards? Tell me more.
    - DrillShopper 2y ago
      With consumer video cards: https://github.com/martinopiaggi/Single-GPU-Passthrough-for-Dummies https://github.com/martinopiaggi/Single-GPU-Passthrough-for-... I don't believe you have to VBIOS patch anymore