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Salary banding doesn’t attract the talent you need. Maybe, good enough? E.g. Who would contribute to open source, speak at conferences, write blog articles, go

by aantix 2y ago

Salary banding doesn’t attract the talent you need. Maybe, good enough? E.g. Who would contribute to open source, speak at conferences, write blog articles, go above and beyond to outwardly contribute, only to be grouped with others to make the same? Terrible deal.

bitmasher9 2y ago
You can solve this by either having wide bands or by preferentially promoting those that make extra contributions. Just increasing the salary band would do a lot to attract more talent, which is a good-not-perfect solution. Last time I checked going to work at a federal job would have cut my total compensation in half, but if it was just a 20% cut I would have looked deeper.
- aantix 2y ago
  With that much liberty, there’s no point to the bands in the first place. They become meaningless.
- Angostura 2y ago
  Certainly within the NHS, except for exceptional circumstances you start at the bottom of the band, irrepective of talent/experience - moving up throught the band purely on time-served. Depressing
- Ziggy_Zaggy 2y ago
  The federal service DOES have a pay-banding system (AcqDemo) that CAN support the extra compensation but it's currently NOT being adequately implemented. If the system actually implemented the next pay-band to be cover roughly pay-grade that covers the $100k to $250k income level that wasn't MGT focused and instead technical "do the work in a team setting" focused (NOT tech director - useless position - should be eliminated). Also, the current pay-pool system is NOT effective bc MGT is NOT able and/or willing to fight for their employees who work to get a reasonable pay-bump and instead the game is always "can't pay my employees more than me or my MGT buddies". The federal service culture insists on paying MGT positions more than technical higher-talent positions in over 80% of cases.
1024core 2y ago
TIL people contribute to Open Source for money. Just FYI: everyone who contributes to OSS makes the same!
- whimsicalism 2y ago
  tons of people are paid to contribute to oss..
- misnome 2y ago
  I’m paid to work on OSS.
- pabs3 2y ago
  There are lots of jobs in open source, some even in the HN hiring threads. Some more resources: https://github.com/fossjobs/fossjobs/wiki/resources https://github.com/fossjobs/fossjobs/wiki/resources
keybored 2y ago
This site has this weird streak where you have people talking about making things for the sake of making them, people talking about hustling and making money—and these events are discrete. Then you have the third event where people on behalf of some group step in and say that people who make whatever and “go above and beyond” would never, ever do what they are doing if something even slightly more egalitarian than whatever the status quo represents would have been implemented.

by aantix 2y ago

bitmasher9 2y ago

You can solve this by either having wide bands or by preferentially promoting those that make extra contributions. Just increasing the salary band would do a lot to attract more talent, which is a good-not-perfect solution. Last time I checked going to work at a federal job would have cut my total compensation in half, but if it was just a 20% cut I would have looked deeper.

aantix 2y ago
With that much liberty, there’s no point to the bands in the first place. They become meaningless.
Angostura 2y ago
Certainly within the NHS, except for exceptional circumstances you start at the bottom of the band, irrepective of talent/experience - moving up throught the band purely on time-served. Depressing
Ziggy_Zaggy 2y ago
The federal service DOES have a pay-banding system (AcqDemo) that CAN support the extra compensation but it's currently NOT being adequately implemented. If the system actually implemented the next pay-band to be cover roughly pay-grade that covers the $100k to $250k income level that wasn't MGT focused and instead technical "do the work in a team setting" focused (NOT tech director - useless position - should be eliminated). Also, the current pay-pool system is NOT effective bc MGT is NOT able and/or willing to fight for their employees who work to get a reasonable pay-bump and instead the game is always "can't pay my employees more than me or my MGT buddies". The federal service culture insists on paying MGT positions more than technical higher-talent positions in over 80% of cases.

1024core 2y ago

TIL people contribute to Open Source for money. Just FYI: everyone who contributes to OSS makes the same!

whimsicalism 2y ago
tons of people are paid to contribute to oss..
misnome 2y ago
I’m paid to work on OSS.
pabs3 2y ago
There are lots of jobs in open source, some even in the HN hiring threads. Some more resources: https://github.com/fossjobs/fossjobs/wiki/resources https://github.com/fossjobs/fossjobs/wiki/resources

keybored 2y ago

This site has this weird streak where you have people talking about making things for the sake of making them, people talking about hustling and making money—and these events are discrete. Then you have the third event where people on behalf of some group step in and say that people who make whatever and “go above and beyond” would never, ever do what they are doing if something even slightly more egalitarian than whatever the status quo represents would have been implemented.