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Spot on. There's something instinctual about this. My kids (13,10,8) all love making art. When I show them AI tools that they could use to generate art or riff

Spot on. There's something instinctual about this. My kids (13,10,8) all love making art. When I show them AI tools that they could use to generate art or riff on existing art, they are actively opposed. They tell me that AI art is not real art, that AI tools for doing this sort of thing are gross, and they want nothing to do with it. As a technologist I think "omg this is so cool" and it has been genuinely surprising to see how they actively rebuff it.

tempodox 1y ago
Be glad your kids have such healthy instincts. I keep being amazed how kids see through the BS that adults fall for.
whimsicalism 1y ago
its because they are exposed to the internet and left-leaning culture from their schools, i highly doubt that is their first exposure reaction.
- miltonlost 1y ago
  Have you been on the internet lately? The manosphere is everywhere; right-wing discourse is the norm. Left-leaning culture in schools? Such as what left-leaning cultures? That you think there is bias in education kind of shows your own biases/POV
  - whimsicalism 1y ago
    I am 'very online'. I have seen a huge rise in right-wing content on social issues, but also a huge rise in very explicitly leftist and anti-AI content in a way that did not previously exist - especially on economic/industry issues. That public education has a left-wing slant in many jurisdictions seems difficult to deny, but I did go to a particulsrly leftwing school district. I do not think you really know anything about my POV and likely the inferences you would make based on my statement are wrong.
    - lenerdenator 1y ago
      > but also a huge rise in very explicitly leftist and anti-AI content in a way that did not previously exist - especially on economic/industry issues. It's always existed; you just haven't been around it. It stretches back to the beginning of the Industrial Revolution; read about the Luddites, Blanketeers, and John Henry. Humans generally don't like having their livelihoods threatened and that's happening more and more as the people who paid others for labor are finding ways to not pay people while simultaneously getting the fruits of labor. It used to just be physical tasks that were simple to automate; now, it's knowledge-based jobs.
      - dingnuts 1y ago
        I'm not afraid of losing my job as an engineer. I can babysit an agent to build software and my expertise will still matter. I'm upset because that's not fun. I chose this career because programming is fun for me. I put up with everything else and I get to code and eat. Now I'm not sure what I like doing if the bot does my coding. Who am I? My whole identity is built around being an intelligent programmer but if intelligence is commodified and programming is obsolete then I don't know who I am anymore or what to do for fun :( Making a living is a concern but.. it almost feels like one of the more shallow ones. I can stack bricks for money but if AI takes the fun out of programming what am I supposed to do for fun
        whimsicalism 1y ago
        if intelligence is truly commodified, we are effectively post-scarcity or very close to something resembling it. it seems hard to justify like continued massive material deprivation for tons of people in the world on the basis of ‘who am i’ ego for the top like 0.2% income earners globally.
        dingnuts 1y ago
        you're conflating income with wealth. as programmers many of us have good salaries, but if those went away we'd have to dig ditches like everyone else. miss me with the .1% salary stuff -- income is not wealth.
- cryptopian 1y ago
  I think the most important word in the OP is > My kids all love _making_ art There's a real human sense of accomplishment and ownership when you put your own effort into making your own creations real. Typing words into a box to make a picture is a fun novelty, and might be useful to people who have to shovel images out the door, but I've never felt anything like the same satisfaction, and I'd imagine kids feel that innately.
  - whimsicalism 1y ago
    sure, my comment is merely to express doubt that that the specific level of dislike from the kids is organic. most people do not hate like that on first impression, even if the satisfaction is of course not the same.
bongodongobob 1y ago
They are probably also afraid of the dark and think they'll see their dead pet in heaven.

tempodox 1y ago

Be glad your kids have such healthy instincts. I keep being amazed how kids see through the BS that adults fall for.

whimsicalism 1y ago

its because they are exposed to the internet and left-leaning culture from their schools, i highly doubt that is their first exposure reaction.

miltonlost 1y ago
Have you been on the internet lately? The manosphere is everywhere; right-wing discourse is the norm. Left-leaning culture in schools? Such as what left-leaning cultures? That you think there is bias in education kind of shows your own biases/POV
- whimsicalism 1y ago
  I am 'very online'. I have seen a huge rise in right-wing content on social issues, but also a huge rise in very explicitly leftist and anti-AI content in a way that did not previously exist - especially on economic/industry issues. That public education has a left-wing slant in many jurisdictions seems difficult to deny, but I did go to a particulsrly leftwing school district. I do not think you really know anything about my POV and likely the inferences you would make based on my statement are wrong.
  - lenerdenator 1y ago
    > but also a huge rise in very explicitly leftist and anti-AI content in a way that did not previously exist - especially on economic/industry issues. It's always existed; you just haven't been around it. It stretches back to the beginning of the Industrial Revolution; read about the Luddites, Blanketeers, and John Henry. Humans generally don't like having their livelihoods threatened and that's happening more and more as the people who paid others for labor are finding ways to not pay people while simultaneously getting the fruits of labor. It used to just be physical tasks that were simple to automate; now, it's knowledge-based jobs.
    - dingnuts 1y ago
      I'm not afraid of losing my job as an engineer. I can babysit an agent to build software and my expertise will still matter. I'm upset because that's not fun. I chose this career because programming is fun for me. I put up with everything else and I get to code and eat. Now I'm not sure what I like doing if the bot does my coding. Who am I? My whole identity is built around being an intelligent programmer but if intelligence is commodified and programming is obsolete then I don't know who I am anymore or what to do for fun :( Making a living is a concern but.. it almost feels like one of the more shallow ones. I can stack bricks for money but if AI takes the fun out of programming what am I supposed to do for fun
      - whimsicalism 1y ago
        if intelligence is truly commodified, we are effectively post-scarcity or very close to something resembling it. it seems hard to justify like continued massive material deprivation for tons of people in the world on the basis of ‘who am i’ ego for the top like 0.2% income earners globally.
        dingnuts 1y ago
        you're conflating income with wealth. as programmers many of us have good salaries, but if those went away we'd have to dig ditches like everyone else. miss me with the .1% salary stuff -- income is not wealth.
cryptopian 1y ago
I think the most important word in the OP is > My kids all love _making_ art There's a real human sense of accomplishment and ownership when you put your own effort into making your own creations real. Typing words into a box to make a picture is a fun novelty, and might be useful to people who have to shovel images out the door, but I've never felt anything like the same satisfaction, and I'd imagine kids feel that innately.
- whimsicalism 1y ago
  sure, my comment is merely to express doubt that that the specific level of dislike from the kids is organic. most people do not hate like that on first impression, even if the satisfaction is of course not the same.

bongodongobob 1y ago

They are probably also afraid of the dark and think they'll see their dead pet in heaven.