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Well, I guess you could take a humanities class...or, you could, you know, get a library card. Believe it or not, there are actually sources of information out

by Crake 14y ago

Well, I guess you could take a humanities class...or, you could, you know, get a library card. Believe it or not, there are actually sources of information outside of wikipedia and $1000000000/credit college courses. Amazing, right?

kaybe 14y ago
The big difference is the discussions with a group of other people (especially great: of different majors!) and a professor who knows what you're talking about and how to steer the conversation. Trying to understand a book and trying to understand people is very different. I had a great seminar this semester where we would talk about "knowledge" from a philosophical, historical, theological and physical point of view with the respective students and professors. Often, we were none the wiser about our original question afterwards, but had had a great discussion, and quoting the philosophy professor, "understood the question better". Again, my point - it is not about gained knowledge, and the way a conversation engages your mind is hard to replicate with a book. But then, I live in Germany and can live off 6000€ including university costs for a year, so YMMV.
- Crake 14y ago
  Here I feel that it's a lot more common to pay $20,000+ a year to have a professor read off a slide. Most professors I've had can't steer for shit. (Although I've had 2 philosophy professors who were very good at it! They are in the minority, unfortunately.) You also have to keep in mind that colleges here will accept just about anyone (no matter how stupid) if they have the money to pay--from what I've heard, Europe's system is free for those who are smart enough to get in, and the entrance standards filter out a lot of the dumbasses who would otherwise just destroy the intellectual level of the class discussion.
sp332 14y ago
I'm not talking about sources of information. I mean someone who knows what books in that library are worth reading. And honestly, I don't remember 90% of the "information" I learned in college, but I learned a ton of new ways of approaching information that I don't think I would have learned except by example.
- Crake 14y ago
  You could listen to someone tell you what books are worth reading, or you could learn critical thinking by trying to work it out for yourself. In the real world, you often have to parse data from a variety of sources without much guidance from a higher authority as to what you should consider legitimate. I'm not saying that college isn't helpful for some people--but it's certainly not the only way.
  - sp332 14y ago
    Sorry but I think having a guide who knows things that have been passed down over centuries is much better than re-inventing the wheel every generation. It's like getting a 2,000+ year head start on understanding how to think. By all means get some experience in the actual territory but don't forget to take a map.

by Crake 14y ago

kaybe 14y ago

The big difference is the discussions with a group of other people (especially great: of different majors!) and a professor who knows what you're talking about and how to steer the conversation. Trying to understand a book and trying to understand people is very different. I had a great seminar this semester where we would talk about "knowledge" from a philosophical, historical, theological and physical point of view with the respective students and professors. Often, we were none the wiser about our original question afterwards, but had had a great discussion, and quoting the philosophy professor, "understood the question better". Again, my point - it is not about gained knowledge, and the way a conversation engages your mind is hard to replicate with a book. But then, I live in Germany and can live off 6000€ including university costs for a year, so YMMV.

Crake 14y ago
Here I feel that it's a lot more common to pay $20,000+ a year to have a professor read off a slide. Most professors I've had can't steer for shit. (Although I've had 2 philosophy professors who were very good at it! They are in the minority, unfortunately.) You also have to keep in mind that colleges here will accept just about anyone (no matter how stupid) if they have the money to pay--from what I've heard, Europe's system is free for those who are smart enough to get in, and the entrance standards filter out a lot of the dumbasses who would otherwise just destroy the intellectual level of the class discussion.

sp332 14y ago

I'm not talking about sources of information. I mean someone who knows what books in that library are worth reading. And honestly, I don't remember 90% of the "information" I learned in college, but I learned a ton of new ways of approaching information that I don't think I would have learned except by example.

Crake 14y ago
You could listen to someone tell you what books are worth reading, or you could learn critical thinking by trying to work it out for yourself. In the real world, you often have to parse data from a variety of sources without much guidance from a higher authority as to what you should consider legitimate. I'm not saying that college isn't helpful for some people--but it's certainly not the only way.
- sp332 14y ago
  Sorry but I think having a guide who knows things that have been passed down over centuries is much better than re-inventing the wheel every generation. It's like getting a 2,000+ year head start on understanding how to think. By all means get some experience in the actual territory but don't forget to take a map.