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I don't know how impressive this is, since the exact or very close variations of these games certainly can be found in the model's training data. This is neith

I don't know how impressive this is, since the exact or very close variations of these games certainly can be found in the model's training data. This is neither innovative nor showing creativity IMO and reminds me more of twitter hype-bro posts, than something truly HN front-page worthy.

sgt101 2y ago
I think that the other question is "what do we mean that Gemini 2.5 built it" - was it with a prompt like "build me a missile command game with a reward system that will enable me to buy upgrades"? Or was it interactively with the dev?
- vbtechguy 2y ago
  Gist of it was 1. Used https://gemini.google.com https://gemini.google.com Gemini 2.5 Pro canvas mode for Gemini Advanced subscription account to ask it to build Atari missile command game in HTML5. Tweeted about it at https://x.com/George_SLiu/status/1906236287931318747 https://x.com/George_SLiu/status/1906236287931318747 almost one shotted but after I passed level 1, it jumped to level 182 and pulverised my cities and bases LOL 2. Iterations in subsequent chat sessions in Gemini web to fix it up, add in-game store, leaderboard and end-hame AI analysis and when Gemini 'something went wrong' messages, jumped over to Claude 3.7 Sonnet via Claude Pro subscription web interface to finish off the task 3. A few days ago, I tried Cline with VSC for the first time with Openrouter AI API key and Gemini 2.5 Pro free LLM model has helped me with further development. Also now trying out Google Firebase for more Gemini 2.5 Pro access https://studio.firebase.google.com/ https://studio.firebase.google.com/ ^_^
  - indigodaddy 2y ago
    How are you liking firebase studio?
    - vbtechguy 2y ago
      Firebase Studio still too buggy for my liking. It has potential though
quantumHazer 2y ago
sometimes here I miss the downvote of reddit. it could be useful for not letting this type of things on front page. maybe a little too harsh but I've had enough of vibe coding and this sort of projects that are copies of a old GitHub repo of the Programming-101 project from some freshman in Minnesota
jeswin 2y ago
90% of business software is a copy of something else. So a model that is good at modifying code that exists somewhere is quite valuable. Basically, any significant incremental progress in an LLM's ability to mash up ideas/code (that it has seen previously) is getting upvoted - because there are many makers on HN and these new abilities can be applied to whatever they're working on.
- rs186 2y ago
  You just made that number up, didn't you? And 90% of what in business software? Ideas? Features? Implementation? I doubt 90% is the number for any of that, or LLM is good at any of those. Based on my own recent experience of LLMs (yes, switching between several different models) and seeing their disastrous performance on writing code for business logic that is just a little bit more specific, I am not convinced.
  - dr-detroit 2y ago
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- camdenreslink 2y ago
  Even if that is true, a lot of business software is not public and not in the training set. And another thing to consider, is if you are copying software from another business you need to compete in some way. Yours needs to have more polish (LLMs are bad at this), or a unique feature, or a different focus. LLM copying another business will only allow you to compete on price, but not those other things.
  - UncleEntity 2y ago
    I think the premise of the argument is you don't need to compete in the marketplace because you can just tell the robots what you want and they will happily produce it. The fallacy that people are making is they look at the current state of things as 'the way it'll always be' while the AI companies, and I mean all the AI companies, are looking to corner the market so have no moral issues with taking out a whole swath of skilled jobs. The cost to compete with another business's software is a high-end GPU.
avidphantasm 2y ago
It would be more impressive if the AI could make it as a real 2600 ROM, since the programming model is much different than what it was likely trained on, and requires more knowledge of how the hardware works (and is just much harder to do in general).
rat9988 2y ago
> than something truly HN front-page worthy. The bar is not that high though, and is not the same for everyone depending on the content.
Workaccount2 2y ago
>This is neither innovative nor showing creativity IMO Ya'll are gonna be blindsided by AI if you don't turn around and see what is happening. Programming is getting democratized. People who have never written a CLI command in their life will get the ability to tell a computer what they want it to do. Instead of having to get bent over with a stupid feature-packed $9.99/mo app, they can say "Make me a program that saves my grocery list and suggests healthier alternatives via AI analyses." And get a program that is dead simple and does exactly the simple task they want it to do. Keep in mind that Excel '98 probably covers 90% of excel uses for 90% of users. Yet here we are in 2025 with society having spent billions over the years to upgrade and now subscribe to msoffice so Amy in HR can add up columns of payroll. You have completely lost sight of reality if you think seeing a program like this is dumb because "anyone can just go and copy the git from a million different clones, load it into their choice programming enviroment, get the relevant dependencies, compile it and be playing in no time!". Maybe you live in a bubble where those words are English to everyone, but it is not reality. For SWE's, I have great sympathy and the comradery for engineers solving hard problems all day. But for the software industry as a whole? I hope it burns hell. The tolls to cross the moat of "telling the computer what to do" have been egregious and predatory for years.
- rowanseymour 2y ago
  > Programming is getting democratized I have no idea what that is supposed to mean but I keep hearing the same about art, music and other creative fields and it sure sounds like contempt for creative people. I personally don't lose any sleep over LLMs being powerful wizards for getting started on new projects.. that's what LLMs are good at.. pulling together bits of things they've seen on the internet. There's a chasm between that and maintaining, iterating on a complex project. Things that require actual intelligence.
  - miohtama 2y ago
    But when art is getting democratised, it is stealing, like we learnt from Ghiblification incident lask week.

sgt101 2y ago

I think that the other question is "what do we mean that Gemini 2.5 built it" - was it with a prompt like "build me a missile command game with a reward system that will enable me to buy upgrades"? Or was it interactively with the dev?

vbtechguy 2y ago
Gist of it was 1. Used https://gemini.google.com https://gemini.google.com Gemini 2.5 Pro canvas mode for Gemini Advanced subscription account to ask it to build Atari missile command game in HTML5. Tweeted about it at https://x.com/George_SLiu/status/1906236287931318747 https://x.com/George_SLiu/status/1906236287931318747 almost one shotted but after I passed level 1, it jumped to level 182 and pulverised my cities and bases LOL 2. Iterations in subsequent chat sessions in Gemini web to fix it up, add in-game store, leaderboard and end-hame AI analysis and when Gemini 'something went wrong' messages, jumped over to Claude 3.7 Sonnet via Claude Pro subscription web interface to finish off the task 3. A few days ago, I tried Cline with VSC for the first time with Openrouter AI API key and Gemini 2.5 Pro free LLM model has helped me with further development. Also now trying out Google Firebase for more Gemini 2.5 Pro access https://studio.firebase.google.com/ https://studio.firebase.google.com/ ^_^
- indigodaddy 2y ago
  How are you liking firebase studio?
  - vbtechguy 2y ago
    Firebase Studio still too buggy for my liking. It has potential though

quantumHazer 2y ago

sometimes here I miss the downvote of reddit. it could be useful for not letting this type of things on front page. maybe a little too harsh but I've had enough of vibe coding and this sort of projects that are copies of a old GitHub repo of the Programming-101 project from some freshman in Minnesota

jeswin 2y ago

90% of business software is a copy of something else. So a model that is good at modifying code that exists somewhere is quite valuable. Basically, any significant incremental progress in an LLM's ability to mash up ideas/code (that it has seen previously) is getting upvoted - because there are many makers on HN and these new abilities can be applied to whatever they're working on.

rs186 2y ago
You just made that number up, didn't you? And 90% of what in business software? Ideas? Features? Implementation? I doubt 90% is the number for any of that, or LLM is good at any of those. Based on my own recent experience of LLMs (yes, switching between several different models) and seeing their disastrous performance on writing code for business logic that is just a little bit more specific, I am not convinced.
- dr-detroit 2y ago
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camdenreslink 2y ago
Even if that is true, a lot of business software is not public and not in the training set. And another thing to consider, is if you are copying software from another business you need to compete in some way. Yours needs to have more polish (LLMs are bad at this), or a unique feature, or a different focus. LLM copying another business will only allow you to compete on price, but not those other things.
- UncleEntity 2y ago
  I think the premise of the argument is you don't need to compete in the marketplace because you can just tell the robots what you want and they will happily produce it. The fallacy that people are making is they look at the current state of things as 'the way it'll always be' while the AI companies, and I mean all the AI companies, are looking to corner the market so have no moral issues with taking out a whole swath of skilled jobs. The cost to compete with another business's software is a high-end GPU.

avidphantasm 2y ago

It would be more impressive if the AI could make it as a real 2600 ROM, since the programming model is much different than what it was likely trained on, and requires more knowledge of how the hardware works (and is just much harder to do in general).

rat9988 2y ago

> than something truly HN front-page worthy. The bar is not that high though, and is not the same for everyone depending on the content.

Workaccount2 2y ago

>This is neither innovative nor showing creativity IMO Ya'll are gonna be blindsided by AI if you don't turn around and see what is happening. Programming is getting democratized. People who have never written a CLI command in their life will get the ability to tell a computer what they want it to do. Instead of having to get bent over with a stupid feature-packed $9.99/mo app, they can say "Make me a program that saves my grocery list and suggests healthier alternatives via AI analyses." And get a program that is dead simple and does exactly the simple task they want it to do. Keep in mind that Excel '98 probably covers 90% of excel uses for 90% of users. Yet here we are in 2025 with society having spent billions over the years to upgrade and now subscribe to msoffice so Amy in HR can add up columns of payroll. You have completely lost sight of reality if you think seeing a program like this is dumb because "anyone can just go and copy the git from a million different clones, load it into their choice programming enviroment, get the relevant dependencies, compile it and be playing in no time!". Maybe you live in a bubble where those words are English to everyone, but it is not reality. For SWE's, I have great sympathy and the comradery for engineers solving hard problems all day. But for the software industry as a whole? I hope it burns hell. The tolls to cross the moat of "telling the computer what to do" have been egregious and predatory for years.

rowanseymour 2y ago
> Programming is getting democratized I have no idea what that is supposed to mean but I keep hearing the same about art, music and other creative fields and it sure sounds like contempt for creative people. I personally don't lose any sleep over LLMs being powerful wizards for getting started on new projects.. that's what LLMs are good at.. pulling together bits of things they've seen on the internet. There's a chasm between that and maintaining, iterating on a complex project. Things that require actual intelligence.
- miohtama 2y ago
  But when art is getting democratised, it is stealing, like we learnt from Ghiblification incident lask week.