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> For context, Xi Jinping is very, very ethnonationalist, despite running a nominally Communist party. This is the first I'm hearing of this - do you have any

by r00fus 1y ago

> For context, Xi Jinping is very, very ethnonationalist, despite running a nominally Communist party. This is the first I'm hearing of this - do you have any context? Everything I've heard about China's policy (including having visited Beijing) is that everyone there is super open to foreigners and very respectful if you are likewise.

kmeisthax 1y ago
The tourist experience does not accurately reflect the attitude of a country's policy towards foreigners or its racial minorities. Every country wants to have tourists entering the country, spending money inside of it, and leaving; it's one of those economic benefits that's so strong that even countries with huge overtourism problems find it difficult to manage the demand. First, let's talk about immigration. This tends to be a better barometer of a country's attitudes towards foreigners and integration. East Asia in general tends to be extremely restrictive, but China is harder to get into by orders of magnitude. For context: - Japan has 3.41 million foreign residents out of a population of 123.7 million (2.76%) - China (PRC) has 0.85 million foreign residents (excluding HK/Macau/TW) out of a population of 1,411.78 million (0.06%) This data is sourced from 2020 and 2024[0], which means it could have been lowered by COVID; so let's talk about permanent residents. Japan has about 900k permanent residents[1] compared to China's... 12k[2]. That's two orders of magnitude lower. Ok, but who's trying to get into China? I mean, Americans would never want to emigrate to China, right? Well, sure, I'll give you that, but China borders plenty of countries that would consider moving to the PRC to be a material benefit (e.g. North Korea and Myanmar). China has an immigration policy that would make Donald Trump blush. But so what? Second, let's talk about the one atrocity Mao wasn't willing to commit: Han chauvinism. China has a particular concern for territorial integrity. That's why they obsess over getting back control over Taiwan, an island full of people who want nothing to do with the mainland, and why they absorbed Hong Kong into themselves 20 years ahead of what they'd agreed to. The problem is that, especially on China's more ambiguously defined eastern borders, nobody there wants to actually be part of China. This terrifies Xi Jinping. And what does Xi do when he's terrified? He builds concentration camps. The eastern part of China, Xinjiang, is full of concentration camps where the Uighur population was rounded up, enslaved, indoctrinated, and sterilized; in the name of "anti-terrorism". This alone is enough for me to slap the "ethnofascist" label on Xi regardless of what political ideology he claims to subscribe to. [0] The Chinese data comes from the 2020 Chinese census, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Chinese_census https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Chinese_census and this article: https://www.intereconomics.eu/contents/year/2022/number/5/article/goodbye-china-what-do-fewer-foreigners-mean-for-multinationals-and-the-chinese-economy.html#footnote-008-backlink https://www.intereconomics.eu/contents/year/2022/number/5/ar... via Wikipedia For Japan's 2024 statistics, Wikipedia sourced them from: https://www.moj.go.jp/isa/publications/press/13_00047.html https://www.moj.go.jp/isa/publications/press/13_00047.html https://www.stat.go.jp/data/jinsui/new.html https://www.stat.go.jp/data/jinsui/new.html [1] https://www.jcer.or.jp/english/japans-immigration-policy-de-jure-and-de-facto https://www.jcer.or.jp/english/japans-immigration-policy-de-... Note that this excludes "special permanent residents", most of whom are victims of Imperial Japan's brutal occupation of Korea and Taiwan who got permanent residency in Japan as part of WWII peace treaties. [2] https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3234679/china-launch-revamped-smart-green-card-making-it-easier-foreigners-book-tickets-and-order-online https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3234679/chi...

by r00fus 1y ago

kmeisthax 1y ago

The tourist experience does not accurately reflect the attitude of a country's policy towards foreigners or its racial minorities. Every country wants to have tourists entering the country, spending money inside of it, and leaving; it's one of those economic benefits that's so strong that even countries with huge overtourism problems find it difficult to manage the demand. First, let's talk about immigration. This tends to be a better barometer of a country's attitudes towards foreigners and integration. East Asia in general tends to be extremely restrictive, but China is harder to get into by orders of magnitude. For context: - Japan has 3.41 million foreign residents out of a population of 123.7 million (2.76%) - China (PRC) has 0.85 million foreign residents (excluding HK/Macau/TW) out of a population of 1,411.78 million (0.06%) This data is sourced from 2020 and 2024[0], which means it could have been lowered by COVID; so let's talk about permanent residents. Japan has about 900k permanent residents[1] compared to China's... 12k[2]. That's two orders of magnitude lower. Ok, but who's trying to get into China? I mean, Americans would never want to emigrate to China, right? Well, sure, I'll give you that, but China borders plenty of countries that would consider moving to the PRC to be a material benefit (e.g. North Korea and Myanmar). China has an immigration policy that would make Donald Trump blush. But so what? Second, let's talk about the one atrocity Mao wasn't willing to commit: Han chauvinism. China has a particular concern for territorial integrity. That's why they obsess over getting back control over Taiwan, an island full of people who want nothing to do with the mainland, and why they absorbed Hong Kong into themselves 20 years ahead of what they'd agreed to. The problem is that, especially on China's more ambiguously defined eastern borders, nobody there wants to actually be part of China. This terrifies Xi Jinping. And what does Xi do when he's terrified? He builds concentration camps. The eastern part of China, Xinjiang, is full of concentration camps where the Uighur population was rounded up, enslaved, indoctrinated, and sterilized; in the name of "anti-terrorism". This alone is enough for me to slap the "ethnofascist" label on Xi regardless of what political ideology he claims to subscribe to. [0] The Chinese data comes from the 2020 Chinese census, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Chinese_census https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Chinese_census and this article: https://www.intereconomics.eu/contents/year/2022/number/5/article/goodbye-china-what-do-fewer-foreigners-mean-for-multinationals-and-the-chinese-economy.html#footnote-008-backlink https://www.intereconomics.eu/contents/year/2022/number/5/ar... via Wikipedia For Japan's 2024 statistics, Wikipedia sourced them from: https://www.moj.go.jp/isa/publications/press/13_00047.html https://www.moj.go.jp/isa/publications/press/13_00047.html https://www.stat.go.jp/data/jinsui/new.html https://www.stat.go.jp/data/jinsui/new.html [1] https://www.jcer.or.jp/english/japans-immigration-policy-de-jure-and-de-facto https://www.jcer.or.jp/english/japans-immigration-policy-de-... Note that this excludes "special permanent residents", most of whom are victims of Imperial Japan's brutal occupation of Korea and Taiwan who got permanent residency in Japan as part of WWII peace treaties. [2] https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3234679/china-launch-revamped-smart-green-card-making-it-easier-foreigners-book-tickets-and-order-online https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3234679/chi...