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Attorney representing a student protester detained by federal immigration agents

90 points by Jtsummers 2y ago

Jtsummers 2y ago
Originally submitted here but as a link to Reddit which linked to the NPR article: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43647812 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43647812
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- oysterville 2y ago
  This is the correct way. Linking to a link to the story is not.
aaronbrethorst 2y ago
You can find a video of another interview with this attorney, Amir Makled, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4af7FJNiFy0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4af7FJNiFy0
josefritzishere 2y ago
This is very 1938 Germany
- kowabungalow 2y ago
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aaomidi 2y ago
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- ceejayoz 2y ago
  > But when Makled's turn came, he overheard one of the agents call for assistance from the "Tactical Terrorism Response Team." I’m sure that’s just routine procedure.
  - bb88 2y ago
    What's interesting from a legal perspective (to me anyway) is if his call list and contacts are protected by attorney client privilege. I think maybe the correct answer is to backup your phone in the cloud, and then factory reset it before coming back into the US. You might also try to mail the phone back to a friend in the US with a tracking number, then you'll know if it got seized in customs, and you can fight it there. You might have to pay a tariff on it, but the tariff might be worth it to avoid trouble at the border.
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      CBP asserts there isn’t privilege at the border. https://reason.com/2025/04/08/border-cops-try-to-make-an-end-run-around-attorney-client-privilege/#:~:text=CBP%20policy%20gives%20officers%20the,documents%20in%20the%20first%20place. https://reason.com/2025/04/08/border-cops-try-to-make-an-end... > Customs and Border Protection (CBP) asserts a very different principle: that your privacy rights disappear at the border. CBP policy gives officers the right to seize and search any electronic device that passes through customs. While the agency claims that copies of any attorney-client documents will be "destroyed" after a search, it doesn't recognize limits on its ability to collect and copy those documents in the first place.
      - bb88 2y ago
        A couple of thoughts here: 1. Any government agency can assert anything they want, until a court strikes it down. 2. CBP/ICE don't just operate at the border (which is problematic). They are an arm of the government seizing people without warrants. (Which is also problematic).
billy99k 2y ago
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- ceejayoz 2y ago
  Because a judge ruled they’d been involved in a crime themselves. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna76186 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna76186 That does not appear to be the case here.

90 points by Jtsummers 2y ago

Originally submitted here but as a link to Reddit which linked to the NPR article: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43647812 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43647812

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oysterville 2y ago
This is the correct way. Linking to a link to the story is not.

aaronbrethorst 2y ago

You can find a video of another interview with this attorney, Amir Makled, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4af7FJNiFy0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4af7FJNiFy0

josefritzishere 2y ago

This is very 1938 Germany

kowabungalow 2y ago
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aaomidi 2y ago

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ceejayoz 2y ago
> But when Makled's turn came, he overheard one of the agents call for assistance from the "Tactical Terrorism Response Team." I’m sure that’s just routine procedure.
- bb88 2y ago
  What's interesting from a legal perspective (to me anyway) is if his call list and contacts are protected by attorney client privilege. I think maybe the correct answer is to backup your phone in the cloud, and then factory reset it before coming back into the US. You might also try to mail the phone back to a friend in the US with a tracking number, then you'll know if it got seized in customs, and you can fight it there. You might have to pay a tariff on it, but the tariff might be worth it to avoid trouble at the border.
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    CBP asserts there isn’t privilege at the border. https://reason.com/2025/04/08/border-cops-try-to-make-an-end-run-around-attorney-client-privilege/#:~:text=CBP%20policy%20gives%20officers%20the,documents%20in%20the%20first%20place. https://reason.com/2025/04/08/border-cops-try-to-make-an-end... > Customs and Border Protection (CBP) asserts a very different principle: that your privacy rights disappear at the border. CBP policy gives officers the right to seize and search any electronic device that passes through customs. While the agency claims that copies of any attorney-client documents will be "destroyed" after a search, it doesn't recognize limits on its ability to collect and copy those documents in the first place.
    - bb88 2y ago
      A couple of thoughts here: 1. Any government agency can assert anything they want, until a court strikes it down. 2. CBP/ICE don't just operate at the border (which is problematic). They are an arm of the government seizing people without warrants. (Which is also problematic).

billy99k 2y ago

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ceejayoz 2y ago
Because a judge ruled they’d been involved in a crime themselves. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna76186 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna76186 That does not appear to be the case here.