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It took several decades of consistent development. It is not possible to do that, in US with 4 year election cycle. Next gov will just roll back all reforms, an

It took several decades of consistent development. It is not possible to do that, in US with 4 year election cycle. Next gov will just roll back all reforms, and redirects all money...

kube-system 2y ago
Case in point: https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2025/03/04/trump-joint-address-to-congress/trump-tells-congress-to-end-chips-act-00212871 https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2025/03/04/trump-joint... But ultimately, this is why America should look towards congress for enacting lasting change.
- guax 2y ago
  exactly is not like a president can override congress powers and be able to dismantle agencies or set tariffs for example. everyone will trust the stability of the policies then.
  - AngryData 2y ago
    I think its more of a lack of commitment from congress to stop it. They have tools available, they haven't really used them.
ahmeneeroe-v2 2y ago
What is the takeaway of your comment? That no president should undertake projects requiring more than 4 years?
- lm28469 2y ago
  Given the current direction and pace it's the only sane conclusion, we went from fragile stability to complete chaos in a few decades
  - ahmeneeroe-v2 2y ago
    What stability "a few decades" ago? Are you referring to the Cold War when we thought the US and USSR might end the world in nuclear war? What chaos? The market going down a little bit?
    - masterj 2y ago
      I in no way think you are responding in good faith, but the relevant bit to this discussion is the very public killing of the CHIPS Act: https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2025/03/04/trump-joint-address-to-congress/trump-tells-congress-to-end-chips-act-00212871 https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2025/03/04/trump-joint...
      - voidspark 2y ago
        He is responding in good faith. You lack historic perspective. CHIPS act is still in place https://www.techtarget.com/searchcio/news/366622293/Trump-puts-stamp-on-CHIPS-Act-deals-with-new-office https://www.techtarget.com/searchcio/news/366622293/Trump-pu... If that is repealed, it would be replaced by something with more favorable terms for the US. TSMC is investing $65B to build three fabs in Arizona.
        owlninja 2y ago
        Isn't it primarily in place because the money was already spent? And someone had to later tell our 'leader' that what he said was nonsense?
        voidspark 2y ago
        Yes, and? Are you against negotiating a better deal?
    - voidspark 2y ago
      You know that time of stability a few decades ago when tens of millions of Chinese were starving to death and being massacred in the Cultural Revolution.
- wat10000 2y ago
  More like no president can undertake projects requiring more than 4, or at best 8, years.
- asadotzler 2y ago
  Presidents can work with Congress to pass laws that last more than 4 years. We used to do that kind of thing around here but now that it's all just a big game open only to the outrageously wealthy, tit for tat and I got mine are the norm. There is no path for progress in that system. We must return to the old way of doing things where the executive and the legislature work together on the critical items that cannot be solved for in 4 or 8 years.
timewizard 2y ago
> It took several decades of consistent development. Well... and massive investments. Where did those come from? > It is not possible to do that, in US with 4 year election cycle The great thing about Trump is he has made everyone forget that Congress exists and has these responsibilities. > Next gov will just roll back all reforms, and redirects all money... The other great thing is people forget Trump has donors and investors on his side who benefit from all these changes. The next administration will be just as beholden to these interests as this one is. The current US president is just a branded token of the elites. It's meant to keep the population in check not create a policy free for all.
- er4hn 2y ago
  Taiwan is a democracy with 4 year elections. When Taiwan operated in one party rule under the Chiang family they did not make significant economic progress.
  - _t9ow 2y ago
    > When Taiwan operated in one party rule under the Chiang family they did not make significant economic progress This is objectively wrong. Taiwan made tremendous economic progress during the period of one-party rule under Chiang Kai-shek and later his son Chiang Ching-kuo. During the KMT's authoritarian rule from the late 1940s through the 1980s, Taiwan experienced the "Taiwan Miracle". Land reforms in the 1950s boosted agricultural productivity and created a rural middle class. In the 1960s Taiwan shifted from an agriculture-based economy to an export-oriented industrial economy, and by the 1980s Taiwan had one of the fastest-growing economies in the world, with GDP growth rates often exceeding 8-10% annually. Chiang pursued an export-led growth model, encouraging foreign investment and industrial development, supporting industries like semiconductors, which is why you have TSMC today. The KMT government also made major investments in education, particularly in science and engineering, hugely increasing literacy rates. All these strategic initiatives and policies meant that Taiwan became one of the Four Asian Tigers by the 1980s. On a slightly related note, on Taiwanese social media today it is not uncommon to come across Taiwanese people lamenting that the KMT built the TSMC, and the DPP is selling it out. Whether this is a fair and accurate assessment of the DPP is another discussion, but this seems to be the sentiment among many Taiwanese these days.
tehjoker 2y ago
if you believe that, i have a bridge to sell you. the us government has a very definite consistent policy trajectory. only culture war issues sort of sometimes wobble. usually republicans shake things up and democrats cement in the changes.
voidspark 2y ago
Integrated circuits were invented in Silicon Valley, California. Intel has factories in the US. "Trump and TSMC announce $100 billion plan to build five new US factories" https://www.reuters.com/technology/tsmc-ceo-meet-with-trump-tout-investment-plans-2025-03-03/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/tsmc-ceo-meet-with-trump-... Democrats and Republicans are united on this. They all want semiconductors manufactured domestically.
nottorp 2y ago
> It is not possible to do that, in US with 4 year election cycle. Taiwan also seems to have a 4 year election cycle. It may be something about a culture that cannot think long term any more ...
- trelane 2y ago
  Also, it would require democrats and republicans working together for the common good, which is not a thing anymore.

It took several decades of consistent development. It is not possible to do that, in US with 4 year election cycle. Next gov will just roll back all reforms, and redirects all money...

kube-system 2y ago

Case in point: https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2025/03/04/trump-joint-address-to-congress/trump-tells-congress-to-end-chips-act-00212871 https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2025/03/04/trump-joint... But ultimately, this is why America should look towards congress for enacting lasting change.

guax 2y ago
exactly is not like a president can override congress powers and be able to dismantle agencies or set tariffs for example. everyone will trust the stability of the policies then.
- AngryData 2y ago
  I think its more of a lack of commitment from congress to stop it. They have tools available, they haven't really used them.

ahmeneeroe-v2 2y ago

What is the takeaway of your comment? That no president should undertake projects requiring more than 4 years?

lm28469 2y ago
Given the current direction and pace it's the only sane conclusion, we went from fragile stability to complete chaos in a few decades
- ahmeneeroe-v2 2y ago
  What stability "a few decades" ago? Are you referring to the Cold War when we thought the US and USSR might end the world in nuclear war? What chaos? The market going down a little bit?
  - masterj 2y ago
    I in no way think you are responding in good faith, but the relevant bit to this discussion is the very public killing of the CHIPS Act: https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2025/03/04/trump-joint-address-to-congress/trump-tells-congress-to-end-chips-act-00212871 https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2025/03/04/trump-joint...
    - voidspark 2y ago
      He is responding in good faith. You lack historic perspective. CHIPS act is still in place https://www.techtarget.com/searchcio/news/366622293/Trump-puts-stamp-on-CHIPS-Act-deals-with-new-office https://www.techtarget.com/searchcio/news/366622293/Trump-pu... If that is repealed, it would be replaced by something with more favorable terms for the US. TSMC is investing $65B to build three fabs in Arizona.
      - owlninja 2y ago
        Isn't it primarily in place because the money was already spent? And someone had to later tell our 'leader' that what he said was nonsense?
        voidspark 2y ago
        Yes, and? Are you against negotiating a better deal?
  - voidspark 2y ago
    You know that time of stability a few decades ago when tens of millions of Chinese were starving to death and being massacred in the Cultural Revolution.
wat10000 2y ago
More like no president can undertake projects requiring more than 4, or at best 8, years.
asadotzler 2y ago
Presidents can work with Congress to pass laws that last more than 4 years. We used to do that kind of thing around here but now that it's all just a big game open only to the outrageously wealthy, tit for tat and I got mine are the norm. There is no path for progress in that system. We must return to the old way of doing things where the executive and the legislature work together on the critical items that cannot be solved for in 4 or 8 years.

timewizard 2y ago

> It took several decades of consistent development. Well... and massive investments. Where did those come from? > It is not possible to do that, in US with 4 year election cycle The great thing about Trump is he has made everyone forget that Congress exists and has these responsibilities. > Next gov will just roll back all reforms, and redirects all money... The other great thing is people forget Trump has donors and investors on his side who benefit from all these changes. The next administration will be just as beholden to these interests as this one is. The current US president is just a branded token of the elites. It's meant to keep the population in check not create a policy free for all.

er4hn 2y ago
Taiwan is a democracy with 4 year elections. When Taiwan operated in one party rule under the Chiang family they did not make significant economic progress.
- _t9ow 2y ago
  > When Taiwan operated in one party rule under the Chiang family they did not make significant economic progress This is objectively wrong. Taiwan made tremendous economic progress during the period of one-party rule under Chiang Kai-shek and later his son Chiang Ching-kuo. During the KMT's authoritarian rule from the late 1940s through the 1980s, Taiwan experienced the "Taiwan Miracle". Land reforms in the 1950s boosted agricultural productivity and created a rural middle class. In the 1960s Taiwan shifted from an agriculture-based economy to an export-oriented industrial economy, and by the 1980s Taiwan had one of the fastest-growing economies in the world, with GDP growth rates often exceeding 8-10% annually. Chiang pursued an export-led growth model, encouraging foreign investment and industrial development, supporting industries like semiconductors, which is why you have TSMC today. The KMT government also made major investments in education, particularly in science and engineering, hugely increasing literacy rates. All these strategic initiatives and policies meant that Taiwan became one of the Four Asian Tigers by the 1980s. On a slightly related note, on Taiwanese social media today it is not uncommon to come across Taiwanese people lamenting that the KMT built the TSMC, and the DPP is selling it out. Whether this is a fair and accurate assessment of the DPP is another discussion, but this seems to be the sentiment among many Taiwanese these days.

tehjoker 2y ago

if you believe that, i have a bridge to sell you. the us government has a very definite consistent policy trajectory. only culture war issues sort of sometimes wobble. usually republicans shake things up and democrats cement in the changes.

voidspark 2y ago

Integrated circuits were invented in Silicon Valley, California. Intel has factories in the US. "Trump and TSMC announce $100 billion plan to build five new US factories" https://www.reuters.com/technology/tsmc-ceo-meet-with-trump-tout-investment-plans-2025-03-03/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/tsmc-ceo-meet-with-trump-... Democrats and Republicans are united on this. They all want semiconductors manufactured domestically.

nottorp 2y ago

> It is not possible to do that, in US with 4 year election cycle. Taiwan also seems to have a 4 year election cycle. It may be something about a culture that cannot think long term any more ...

trelane 2y ago
Also, it would require democrats and republicans working together for the common good, which is not a thing anymore.