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gccrs is a rust implementation for gcc. Just because Rust developers don't want their users to be fully free doesn't mean there are any problems with gcc. And c

gccrs is a rust implementation for gcc. Just because Rust developers don't want their users to be fully free doesn't mean there are any problems with gcc. And clang is developed by Apple which is a huge warning sign by itself.

bigstrat2003 2y ago
Rust developers don't "not want their users to be fully free", they disagree with you on which license is best. Don't deliberately phrase people's motivations in an uncharitable way, it's obnoxious as hell.
mort96 2y ago
And gccrs is not really very widely used and is not the "official" Rust compiler. The Rust project chose to base their compiler on LLVM, for good technical reasons. That's bad news for the GCC project.
- tmiku 2y ago
  I thought that most FOSS projects took multiple compiler implementations as a sign of a healthy language environment, without much prestige associated with being the "premier" compiler and instead having more of an it-takes-a-village attitude. Granted, I'm mostly extrapolating from Go and Python here - is it a sharper divide in the Rust community?
  - mort96 2y ago
    No, and I think the gccrs project is great and a sign that the language is maturing. I'm just saying that LLVM was chosen instead of GCC to build the official Rust compiler for very good technical reasons, and that ought to worry GCC.
viraptor 2y ago
It's an early implementation of a part of rust. It's not even close to being able to use as the daily compiler.
LeFantome 2y ago
LLVM/Clang is evolving more quickly than and is a much richer base for innovation than GCC is. LLVM spawned Rust, Swift, and Zig. The most recent GCC languages are Spark and COBOL. One of the reasons that LLVM has been able to evolve so quickly is because of all the corporate contribution it gets. GCC users want Clang/LLVM users to know how dumb they are for taking advantage of all the voluntary corporate investment in Clang/LLVM because, if you just used GCC instead, corporate contributions would be involuntary. The GPL teaches us that we are not really free unless we have taken choice away from the developers and contributors who provide the code we use. This is the “fifth freedom”. The “four freedoms” that the Free Software Foundation talks about are all provided by MIT and BSD. Those only represent “partial freedom”. Only the GPL makes you “fully free” by providing the “fifth freedom”—-freedom to claim ownership over code other people will write in the future. Sure, the “other people” are less free. But that is the price that needs to be paid for our freedom. Proper freedom (“full freedom”) is always rooted in the subjugation of others.
- pjmlp 2y ago
  Amazon and the like appreciate indeed their freedom not to contribute back, while pumping the cash register.
- wolvesechoes 2y ago
  Some slaves were treated well, fed nicely and overall had rather good life. Yet, they remained slaves, so master could take all of that from them at any moment. But hey, if you try hard to be nice to your master and do not demand anything, for sure they will always treat you well!
- vbezhenar 2y ago
  GPL gives more freedom to software users. BSD gives more freedom to software developers. I think that's the core difference.
- orlylol 2y ago
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bigstrat2003 2y ago

Rust developers don't "not want their users to be fully free", they disagree with you on which license is best. Don't deliberately phrase people's motivations in an uncharitable way, it's obnoxious as hell.

mort96 2y ago

And gccrs is not really very widely used and is not the "official" Rust compiler. The Rust project chose to base their compiler on LLVM, for good technical reasons. That's bad news for the GCC project.

tmiku 2y ago
I thought that most FOSS projects took multiple compiler implementations as a sign of a healthy language environment, without much prestige associated with being the "premier" compiler and instead having more of an it-takes-a-village attitude. Granted, I'm mostly extrapolating from Go and Python here - is it a sharper divide in the Rust community?
- mort96 2y ago
  No, and I think the gccrs project is great and a sign that the language is maturing. I'm just saying that LLVM was chosen instead of GCC to build the official Rust compiler for very good technical reasons, and that ought to worry GCC.

viraptor 2y ago

It's an early implementation of a part of rust. It's not even close to being able to use as the daily compiler.

LeFantome 2y ago

LLVM/Clang is evolving more quickly than and is a much richer base for innovation than GCC is. LLVM spawned Rust, Swift, and Zig. The most recent GCC languages are Spark and COBOL. One of the reasons that LLVM has been able to evolve so quickly is because of all the corporate contribution it gets. GCC users want Clang/LLVM users to know how dumb they are for taking advantage of all the voluntary corporate investment in Clang/LLVM because, if you just used GCC instead, corporate contributions would be involuntary. The GPL teaches us that we are not really free unless we have taken choice away from the developers and contributors who provide the code we use. This is the “fifth freedom”. The “four freedoms” that the Free Software Foundation talks about are all provided by MIT and BSD. Those only represent “partial freedom”. Only the GPL makes you “fully free” by providing the “fifth freedom”—-freedom to claim ownership over code other people will write in the future. Sure, the “other people” are less free. But that is the price that needs to be paid for our freedom. Proper freedom (“full freedom”) is always rooted in the subjugation of others.

pjmlp 2y ago
Amazon and the like appreciate indeed their freedom not to contribute back, while pumping the cash register.
wolvesechoes 2y ago
Some slaves were treated well, fed nicely and overall had rather good life. Yet, they remained slaves, so master could take all of that from them at any moment. But hey, if you try hard to be nice to your master and do not demand anything, for sure they will always treat you well!
vbezhenar 2y ago
GPL gives more freedom to software users. BSD gives more freedom to software developers. I think that's the core difference.
orlylol 2y ago
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