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> The people with all of the money effectively froze wages for 45 years Yep. And they didn't accomplish that 'peaceably' either, for the record. A lot of peopl
by mandmandam 2y ago
> The people with all of the money effectively froze wages for 45 years
Yep. And they didn't accomplish that 'peaceably' either, for the record. A lot of people got murdered, many more smeared/threatened/imprisoned etc. Entire countries get decimated.
> What makes you think that they'll peaceably agree to UBI for people who don't sell them labor for money?
I don't imagine for a moment that they'll like UBI. There is no shortage of examples over recent millenia of how far the parasite class will go to keep the status quo.
History also shows us that having all the money doesn't guarantee that people will do things your way. Class awareness, strikes, unions, protest, and alternative systems/technological advance have shown their mettle. These things scare oligarchs because they work.
- Philpax 2y agoI am hoping that will be our saving grace this time around as well, but my fear is that the oligarchs will control more autonomous power than we can meaningfully resist, and our existence will no longer be strictly necessary for their systems to operate.
- someguyorother 2y agoThe dark humor in this is that any such technologically advanced future where humans have a meaningful say will eventually look like one of abundant luxury communism: it's just that the oligarchs' version will have a lot of people die first before the oligarchs enjoy their abundance. The third option is that the oligarchy fully internalizes its pursuit of ruthless concentration of power. But in that case, someone will probably create an AI that's better at playing the power game, and at that point, it's over for the oligarchs.