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The *.home.arpa domain in RFC 8375 has been approved for local use since 2018, which is long enough ago that most hardware and software currently in use should

The *.home.arpa domain in RFC 8375 has been approved for local use since 2018, which is long enough ago that most hardware and software currently in use should be able to handle it.

styfle 1y ago
Why use that over *.localhost which has been available since 1999 (introduced in RFC 2606)
- bravetraveler 1y ago
  From RFC 2606: The ".localhost" TLD has traditionally been statically defined in host DNS implementations as having an A record pointing to the loop back IP address and is reserved for such use The RFC 8375 suggestion (*.home.arpa) allows for more than a single host in the domain. If not in name/feeling, but the strictest readings [and adherence] too.
Mountain_Skies 1y ago
It's ugly and clunky, which is why after seven years it's had very little adoption. Home users aren't network engineers so these things actually do matter even if it seems silly in a technical sense.
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radlad 1y ago
RFC 8375 seems to have approved it specifically to use in Home Networking Control Protocol, though it also states "it is not intended that the use of 'home.arpa.' be restricted solely to networks where HNCP is deployed. Rather, 'home.arpa.' is intended to be the correct domain for uses like the one described for '.home' in [RFC7788]: local name service in residential homenets." The OpenWrt wiki on Homenet suggests the project might be dead: https://openwrt.org/docs/guide-user/network/zeroconfig/hncp_configuration https://openwrt.org/docs/guide-user/network/zeroconfig/hncp_... Anyone familiar with HNCP? Are there any concerns of conflicts if HNCP becomes "a thing"? I have to say, .home.arpa doesn't exactly roll of the tongue like .internal. Some macOS users seem to have issues with .home.arpa too: https://www.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/1bu62do/homearpa_is_anyone_else_successfully_using_this/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/1bu62do/homearpa_is_...
- onre 1y ago
  > I have to say, .home.arpa doesn't exactly roll of the tongue like .internal. In my native language (Finnish) it's even worse, or better, depending on personal preference - it translates directly to .mildew.lottery-ticket.
  - morjom 1y ago
    It would be more like .mold.ticket
    - onre 1y ago
      Thanks, I always mix up mold and mildew. However, "arpa" is specifically a lottery ticket, whereas there are tickets for concerts, tickets to ride, tickets in Jira etc...
      - morjom 1y ago
        Arpa is used for all kinds of random chance things, not specifically for lottery. I feel like ticket would still be the equivalent but I guess that would be more transliteration and opinion than direct translation? Also my view for lottery may be skewed due to the Finnish lottery culture, and how lottery has more meanings in English. Sorry turned ranty.
      - DrBazza 1y ago
        Arguably, Jira ‘has issues’.
- AndyMcConachie 1y ago
  Check the errata for RFC 7788. .home being listed in it is a mistake. .home has never been designated for this purpose. home.arpa is for HNCP. Use .internal.
  - fc417fc802 1y ago
    I have been commandeering .home for the boxes on my LAN since forever. Why change it? If I were going to do a bunch of extra work messing with configs I'd be far more inclined to switch all my personal stuff over to GNS for security and privacy reasons.

The *.home.arpa domain in RFC 8375 has been approved for local use since 2018, which is long enough ago that most hardware and software currently in use should be able to handle it.

styfle 1y ago

Why use that over *.localhost which has been available since 1999 (introduced in RFC 2606)

bravetraveler 1y ago
From RFC 2606: The ".localhost" TLD has traditionally been statically defined in host DNS implementations as having an A record pointing to the loop back IP address and is reserved for such use The RFC 8375 suggestion (*.home.arpa) allows for more than a single host in the domain. If not in name/feeling, but the strictest readings [and adherence] too.

Mountain_Skies 1y ago

It's ugly and clunky, which is why after seven years it's had very little adoption. Home users aren't network engineers so these things actually do matter even if it seems silly in a technical sense.

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radlad 1y ago

RFC 8375 seems to have approved it specifically to use in Home Networking Control Protocol, though it also states "it is not intended that the use of 'home.arpa.' be restricted solely to networks where HNCP is deployed. Rather, 'home.arpa.' is intended to be the correct domain for uses like the one described for '.home' in [RFC7788]: local name service in residential homenets." The OpenWrt wiki on Homenet suggests the project might be dead: https://openwrt.org/docs/guide-user/network/zeroconfig/hncp_configuration https://openwrt.org/docs/guide-user/network/zeroconfig/hncp_... Anyone familiar with HNCP? Are there any concerns of conflicts if HNCP becomes "a thing"? I have to say, .home.arpa doesn't exactly roll of the tongue like .internal. Some macOS users seem to have issues with .home.arpa too: https://www.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/1bu62do/homearpa_is_anyone_else_successfully_using_this/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/1bu62do/homearpa_is_...

onre 1y ago
> I have to say, .home.arpa doesn't exactly roll of the tongue like .internal. In my native language (Finnish) it's even worse, or better, depending on personal preference - it translates directly to .mildew.lottery-ticket.
- morjom 1y ago
  It would be more like .mold.ticket
  - onre 1y ago
    Thanks, I always mix up mold and mildew. However, "arpa" is specifically a lottery ticket, whereas there are tickets for concerts, tickets to ride, tickets in Jira etc...
    - morjom 1y ago
      Arpa is used for all kinds of random chance things, not specifically for lottery. I feel like ticket would still be the equivalent but I guess that would be more transliteration and opinion than direct translation? Also my view for lottery may be skewed due to the Finnish lottery culture, and how lottery has more meanings in English. Sorry turned ranty.
    - DrBazza 1y ago
      Arguably, Jira ‘has issues’.
AndyMcConachie 1y ago
Check the errata for RFC 7788. .home being listed in it is a mistake. .home has never been designated for this purpose. home.arpa is for HNCP. Use .internal.
- fc417fc802 1y ago
  I have been commandeering .home for the boxes on my LAN since forever. Why change it? If I were going to do a bunch of extra work messing with configs I'd be far more inclined to switch all my personal stuff over to GNS for security and privacy reasons.