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> “We need to get better at treating this like a business,” Acting ICE Director Todd Lyons said, explaining he wants to see a deportation process “like (Amazon)

> “We need to get better at treating this like a business,” Acting ICE Director Todd Lyons said, explaining he wants to see a deportation process “like (Amazon) Prime, but with human beings.” This is one of the most evil things I've seen posted on HN.

throwccp 2y ago
America is only for Europeans. I don't know how these Europeans act when natives ask them to leave
adityaathalye 2y ago
Cue: "Don't Create the Torment Nexus" meme. Aside: Seems like a natural line of thinking in a country with a thriving privatised prison system.
- slillibri 2y ago
  Nationally, there are less than 10% of incarcerated people in private prisons. This number starts to vary widely from state to state though, with some states having more than 50% and some having 0%.
  - aredox 2y ago
    Public prisons's use of forced labor is not better than private ones. And people in prisons (private or public) count towards total population in counties, giving them more weight in elections, despite none of the prisoners having chosen to be there voluntarily nor having the right to vote. https://www.vera.org/news/how-mass-incarceration-shapes-our-elections https://www.vera.org/news/how-mass-incarceration-shapes-our-...
    - slillibri 2y ago
      True, but there is this mythology that all prisons in the USA are private prisons controlled solely by corporations, which is wildly untrue. Public prisons aren't much better than private prisons, due to the fact that they are just punishment and not rehabilitation. On your second point, undocumented immigrants also count in the census and give more weight in representation and elections, even though they cannot vote. In a perfect world, we would expect elected officials to represent all of their constituents, not just those who voted for them, but we are far from that.
      - aredox 2y ago
        >On your second point, undocumented immigrants also count in the census Except immigrants choose where they want to live. The prisoners are where they are because the party in power (usually Republican, borderline neo-Confederate) creates laws that lead to extensive incarceration (such as "three strikes") and is the one which decides where to build prisons, which results in biased elections in their favor. Which reeks of the pre-civil war rules that slaves count for political weight.
Nesco 2y ago
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InsideOutSanta 2y ago
It's also stupid, even if you're a complete sociopath. "Let's ship 3% of our economy to other countries." These people work, buy things, and pay taxes. Just rapturing them out of the country will not benefit anyone.
- yaris 2y ago
  Well, it will definitely benefit the people listed in the article and their friends at contractor companies. As for economic or moral aspects - those in power to not give a flying fcuk, it seems.
- Nesco 2y ago
  Then why do you not have a full open-order policy? It will definitely grow the nominal size of the economy
  - InsideOutSanta 2y ago
    Don't know if that helps, but I'm not a country.
    - Nesco 2y ago
      You could grow the nominal wealth of your household by removing the lock
      - InsideOutSanta 2y ago
        I believe your analogy is trying to liken immigrants to thieves, which is precisely why it's not a good analogy.
        Nesco 2y ago
        No, in fact you did! I knew a good friend who lived in Okinawa, and never locked his front door even when going abroad
blitzar 2y ago
We don't talk enough around here about how dehumanising Amazons (and many tech companies) approach to human workers is.
throweuo 2y ago
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rob74 2y ago
Also, I would argue that ICE needs less perverse incentives, not more. It's pretty obvious that they have deportation quotas that they have to meet or exceed, hence hapless tourists get treated like dangerous criminals and locked up for weeks (because the detention centers are also commercial, so the longer people stay, the better for them) before eventually being deported: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det...
jeetoid 2y ago
I don’t think deportation is evil. In fact I applaud this.
- AlecSchueler 2y ago
  Can you see how this comes across as double speak?
  - dttze 2y ago
    He is a fascist that wants to see academics and immigrants suffer. Best to just make fun of him or ignore, logic is pointless.
    - jeetoid 2y ago
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JohnTHaller 2y ago
... so far. We're only 80 days into this Republican administration.
quadragenarian 2y ago
Another example of the idea that "treating people like objects" is evil and in fact, is the cause of most evil in the world.

throwccp 2y ago

America is only for Europeans. I don't know how these Europeans act when natives ask them to leave

adityaathalye 2y ago

Cue: "Don't Create the Torment Nexus" meme. Aside: Seems like a natural line of thinking in a country with a thriving privatised prison system.

slillibri 2y ago
Nationally, there are less than 10% of incarcerated people in private prisons. This number starts to vary widely from state to state though, with some states having more than 50% and some having 0%.
- aredox 2y ago
  Public prisons's use of forced labor is not better than private ones. And people in prisons (private or public) count towards total population in counties, giving them more weight in elections, despite none of the prisoners having chosen to be there voluntarily nor having the right to vote. https://www.vera.org/news/how-mass-incarceration-shapes-our-elections https://www.vera.org/news/how-mass-incarceration-shapes-our-...
  - slillibri 2y ago
    True, but there is this mythology that all prisons in the USA are private prisons controlled solely by corporations, which is wildly untrue. Public prisons aren't much better than private prisons, due to the fact that they are just punishment and not rehabilitation. On your second point, undocumented immigrants also count in the census and give more weight in representation and elections, even though they cannot vote. In a perfect world, we would expect elected officials to represent all of their constituents, not just those who voted for them, but we are far from that.
    - aredox 2y ago
      >On your second point, undocumented immigrants also count in the census Except immigrants choose where they want to live. The prisoners are where they are because the party in power (usually Republican, borderline neo-Confederate) creates laws that lead to extensive incarceration (such as "three strikes") and is the one which decides where to build prisons, which results in biased elections in their favor. Which reeks of the pre-civil war rules that slaves count for political weight.

Nesco 2y ago

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InsideOutSanta 2y ago

It's also stupid, even if you're a complete sociopath. "Let's ship 3% of our economy to other countries." These people work, buy things, and pay taxes. Just rapturing them out of the country will not benefit anyone.

yaris 2y ago
Well, it will definitely benefit the people listed in the article and their friends at contractor companies. As for economic or moral aspects - those in power to not give a flying fcuk, it seems.
Nesco 2y ago
Then why do you not have a full open-order policy? It will definitely grow the nominal size of the economy
- InsideOutSanta 2y ago
  Don't know if that helps, but I'm not a country.
  - Nesco 2y ago
    You could grow the nominal wealth of your household by removing the lock
    - InsideOutSanta 2y ago
      I believe your analogy is trying to liken immigrants to thieves, which is precisely why it's not a good analogy.
      - Nesco 2y ago
        No, in fact you did! I knew a good friend who lived in Okinawa, and never locked his front door even when going abroad

blitzar 2y ago

We don't talk enough around here about how dehumanising Amazons (and many tech companies) approach to human workers is.

throweuo 2y ago

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rob74 2y ago

Also, I would argue that ICE needs less perverse incentives, not more. It's pretty obvious that they have deportation quotas that they have to meet or exceed, hence hapless tourists get treated like dangerous criminals and locked up for weeks (because the detention centers are also commercial, so the longer people stay, the better for them) before eventually being deported: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det...

jeetoid 2y ago

I don’t think deportation is evil. In fact I applaud this.

AlecSchueler 2y ago
Can you see how this comes across as double speak?
- dttze 2y ago
  He is a fascist that wants to see academics and immigrants suffer. Best to just make fun of him or ignore, logic is pointless.
  - jeetoid 2y ago
    [dead]

JohnTHaller 2y ago

... so far. We're only 80 days into this Republican administration.

quadragenarian 2y ago

Another example of the idea that "treating people like objects" is evil and in fact, is the cause of most evil in the world.